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What do you all like to eat before a fight? I'm currently a night before, so what I eat tonight doesn't matter too much, but I do tend to avoid spicy dishes a good 24 hours before a fight.

I find Thai omelet over rice is a great pre-fight dish: easy to digest, carbs, protein, fat and salt. I eat sticky rice sometimes because of the belief in its protective qualities, but it feels like a brick in my belly, so not so much one to recommend to others.

Back in the US I knew of a gym that recommended carb-loading the night before a fight, which I don't know if that stemmed from having cut weight and avoided carbs for a few days or what. Some folks I know get nervous and don't eat anything but fruit a few hours before.

What do you all think/do/recommend? Anyone... Bueller?

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In Japan, I was ordered to eat onigiri and chocolate on the day of the fight. Onigiri are rice balls with fillings, usually fish and the like. I love them, so it was an easy order to follow! And they are handy and easily digestible, and available at any convenience store 24/7.

I think eating rice in general is good, it's a carb that doesn't make me feel heavy. But I also try not to obsess about what to eat/drink/wear before a fight. As long as I don't under/overeat, I hope it won't make that much of a difference, it's only 10-15 minutes...

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In Japan, I was ordered to eat onigiri and chocolate on the day of the fight. Onigiri are rice balls with fillings, usually fish and the like. I love them, so it was an easy order to follow!

But I also try not to obsess about what to eat/drink/wear before a fight. As long as I don't under/overeat, I hope it won't make that much of a difference, it's only 10-15 minutes...

I've definitely seen those onigiri balls in the various anime I watch; they look awesome!

I totally agree with not making too big a deal about it. I thought carb loading seemed so silly for 6-15 min of fighting but reckon if there was a weight cut it makes some sense... or, you know, just eat carbs again without "loading".

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I used to have difficulty eating on fight day. I guess it was nervousness, but I just didn't have an appetite. I now just make sure I eat little and often. Nothing too heavy, only stuff that is easily digestible. Vegetables, eggs, granola bars and stuff like that. 

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Pre training I like oats with berries, apples/banana and or some protein source so chicken, whey or a turkey wrap. Pasta is good too but I find I need to have it earlier before training.

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For training, I have been taking chia seeds. Usually I soak two to three spoonfuls for several hours(over night is better). Just pour in 60 Degree c water and leave it there. Boiling water not recommended.

Take it around one hour before training and I noticed I last longer in training.

It is basically tasteless so you can mix it up with your fruit drinks or milk.

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On fight day I always have oats with honey, yogurt and banana.

The night before I have rice with veggies and protein like chicken.

But I love the oats! :)

Okay, here's a question. When I lived in Berlin, I couldn't find oatmeal anywhere other than this tiny "health food" or even "diabetic" section of the store. When I put it in the cabinet in the kitchen, my German roommate asked me, "what is this, horse food?" Yes, he was being cheeky, but he also had no idea how to eat it. And there was really only one brand of rolled oats, no Irish steel-cut or anything... are you the only person eating oatmeal in Germany?

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For training, I have been taking chia seeds. Usually I soak two to three spoonfuls for several hours(over night is better). Just pour in 60 Degree c water and leave it there. Boiling water not recommended.

Take it around one hour before training and I noticed I last longer in training.

It is basically tasteless so you can mix it up with your fruit drinks or milk.

You just put the seeds all soaked up in your mouth, like a gruel? Or you blend it with something?

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Okay, here's a question. When I lived in Berlin, I couldn't find oatmeal anywhere other than this tiny "health food" or even "diabetic" section of the store. When I put it in the cabinet in the kitchen, my German roommate asked me, "what is this, horse food?" Yes, he was being cheeky, but he also had no idea how to eat it. And there was really only one brand of rolled oats, no Irish steel-cut or anything... are you the only person eating oatmeal in Germany?

 

What, you mean Haferflocken? You can get them everywhere and they are one of the base components of any Muesli mix... What am I missing?

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You just put the seeds all soaked up in your mouth, like a gruel? Or you blend it with something?

I am lazy and just want its benefits so I just add more water and they look like tiny frog eggs floating in water. Appetizing right? I also chew a little them when I can.

the stores that sell fency drinks always blend them with all kinds of stuff. Guess it will be too boring to take it plain. Take it the way you like.

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I am lazy and just want its benefits so I just add more water and they look like tiny frog eggs floating in water. Appetizing right? I also chew a little them when I can.

the stores that sell fency drinks always blend them with all kinds of stuff. Guess it will be too boring to take it plain. Take it the way you like.

I started using chia seeds recently, but only added it to oat flakes so far, instead of linseeds. So you say, I can put them into my smoothie and blend it all together for an extra boost of energy? :D

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I started using chia seeds recently, but only added it to oat flakes so far, instead of linseeds. So you say, I can put them into my smoothie and blend it all together for an extra boost of energy? :D

oh you mean the actual 'blend' like by a blender. I am no expert in food preparation. please try your way with it. Definitely want to know how it works for you. :)

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For training, I have been taking chia seeds. Usually I soak two to three spoonfuls for several hours(over night is better). Just pour in 60 Degree c water and leave it there. Boiling water not recommended.

Take it around one hour before training and I noticed I last longer in training.

It is basically tasteless so you can mix it up with your fruit drinks or milk.

I add chia seeds to my muesli and whatever else I can, but I find the texture of them in water to be too much for me. Bleh. Like frogspawn. 

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oh you mean the actual 'blend' like by a blender. I am no expert in food preparation. please try your way with it. Definitely want to know how it works for you. :)

I tried it today and added chia seeds to my smoothie I take to work (usually milk, strawberries, almond butter). I forgot that chia seeds make food more "condensed", so it was really hard to drink it, because of its consistency. I don't advise it to add into a smoothie, but yesterday I found a cool recipe to make chia seed pudding, I might try it. So today I had a pudding-smoothie because of the chia seeds ;)

I'm also no expert in food preperation :D

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sorry for the late reply.

 

Okay, here's a question. When I lived in Berlin, I couldn't find oatmeal anywhere other than this tiny "health food" or even "diabetic" section of the store. When I put it in the cabinet in the kitchen, my German roommate asked me, "what is this, horse food?" Yes, he was being cheeky, but he also had no idea how to eat it. And there was really only one brand of rolled oats, no Irish steel-cut or anything... are you the only person eating oatmeal in Germany?

 as darina said

 

What, you mean Haferflocken? You can get them everywhere and they are one of the base components of any Muesli mix... What am I missing?

You can get oats everywhere in Germany, though most people dont eat it warm as in an oatmeal. It is as Darina said part of any muesli.

the traditional oat meal with milk would be called 'Haferbrei' and with water 'Haferschleim' Really Really poor people used to eat it, or when you were sick as a child its therefore not regarded as the best thing to eat, I think it just starts to make its way into the diets again.

 

as for chia seeds, in the beginning I hated them, the consistency is disgusting! But I somehow got used to it and I usually soak a few teaspoons chiaseeds, oats and flaxseed over night, stir in a bit protein powder or vanilla and cinnamon for the taste and add quark (or yogurt). However, chia seeds dont fill me that nicely  in order to have them as a pre fight food.

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Chia seeds addict here.

I put two teaspoons in my one liter water bottle, and drink it through training.

My knowledge is that they are good because they help you stay hydrated, they have omega 3 and aminos.

 

Frogeggsy, but I do really feel better with them ;)

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