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Hello my name is Eder and I'm new member here and I am from Los Angeles, California. I recently started training in the art of Muay Thai (about 6 months ago) out of SickSide gym. Like many other places all of the gyms out here have closed down and it's been pretty rough for smaller businesses. However, I decided to continue my membership with my gym in order to support as much as possible. We have recently started training online through live streaming and an online portal that includes training videos. At this point and time staying active and productive is hard enough so the online classes have helped to keep me accountable. It's been hard to stay dedicated and most importantly motivated but I am hanging in there. I was also recently placed under quarantine through my work (Veterinary Technician) because I came in contact with a client who had contact with someone who tested positive for the Coronavirus. I've been doing fine and I am not currently showing any symptoms of the virus. I hope that this will all go away soon and we can all get back to training and doing what we love, please stay safe out there.

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Your'e definitely in the right place for motivation. 

Check out Sylvie's videos, YouTube or esp in the Muay Thai Library as a Patron member

she trains with all the golden legend greats, so so inspiring and her dedication is infectious 

Or the blogs, Muay Thai Bones podcasts... so much information!

this place Has helped me immensely in staying with my training. 

 

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3 hours ago, EderLA said:

Hello my name is Eder and I'm new member here and I am from Los Angeles, California. I recently started training in the art of Muay Thai (about 6 months ago) out of SickSide gym.

Hey Eder! Welcome I've also recently joined, it's been awesome so far I find myself coming back and reading it all the time. 

I just started Muay Thai, it was actually my New Year's resolution to finally go to the gym that's right down the street, and here I am!

I live in North Hollywood! Maybe after this is all cleared up we can meet one day!

As far as how I've been affected training wise, the gym has been closed (it originally said April 1st was to the be the reopen date, back when Covid first started. Haven't been back to check.) But, I've been finding this time to be very constructive for me. I'm a terrible procrastinator and self-starter, and I feel like this time is allowing me to really work on that muscle.

I've been exercising on my own more and more, and I've been adding in things here and there watching Sylvie run through her solo work-outs. I incorporated 300 Teeps/300 Knees into my stretching now, something I never would've thought myself capable of doing really. It's been great.

Great kindling for when I get to go back. Building a base for the fire 🔥💗🔥

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On 4/8/2020 at 7:21 PM, SHELL28 said:

Your'e definitely in the right place for motivation. 

Check out Sylvie's videos, YouTube or esp in the Muay Thai Library as a Patron member

she trains with all the golden legend greats, so so inspiring and her dedication is infectious 

Or the blogs, Muay Thai Bones podcasts... so much information!

this place Has helped me immensely in staying with my training. 

 

Thanks, I'm glad to finally find a good community that shares the same passion for the art of Muay Thai. Yes I will start doing my homework and exploring more of this awesome website and it's content. Also thank you for the suggestion on the home gym your setup is really awesome keep up the good work.

23 hours ago, Mitchell said:

Hey Eder! Welcome I've also recently joined, it's been awesome so far I find myself coming back and reading it all the time. 

I just started Muay Thai, it was actually my New Year's resolution to finally go to the gym that's right down the street, and here I am!

I live in North Hollywood! Maybe after this is all cleared up we can meet one day!

As far as how I've been affected training wise, the gym has been closed (it originally said April 1st was to the be the reopen date, back when Covid first started. Haven't been back to check.) But, I've been finding this time to be very constructive for me. I'm a terrible procrastinator and self-starter, and I feel like this time is allowing me to really work on that muscle.

I've been exercising on my own more and more, and I've been adding in things here and there watching Sylvie run through her solo work-outs. I incorporated 300 Teeps/300 Knees into my stretching now, something I never would've thought myself capable of doing really. It's been great.

Great kindling for when I get to go back. Building a base for the fire 🔥💗🔥

 

Hey Mitchell thanks for the warm welcome I appreciate it and it's awesome to see someone else from L.A practicing Muay Thai. I also made it my goal to start training last year. I actually used to be really overweight and I decided that once I lost a good amount of weight I would give Muay Thai a try. I'm so glad that I decided to try it out because it's been something that has kept me motivated to keep pushing for my overall health.

I would love to meet up one day to practice some moves and just bounce back some ideas off you. The gym that I go to is in Midtown (Crenshaw and Adams) so it's really close to my home and it's been a blessing to have them open up in my area. You're always welcome to come check them out when all of this clears up of course.

It's been really hard adjusting to a new routine but I've been doin a good job about staying active. My sister also trains Muay Thai so we've been training here at home running drills and doing some HIIT training as well.  The online streaming classes have actually been really engaging and in a way it's kind of fun training with the squad from home. Keep up the good work Mitchell and keep pushing and striving to reach your goals. I would love to see everyone sharing their at home workouts. 

 

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My gym in Colorado is closed, they loaned out all their equipment to members to train at home, and are now holding classes via ZOOM,, until things get better,,, old friend used to say "IF YOU DON'T USE YOUR HEAD,, YOU MIGHT AS WELL NOT HAVE ONE"!

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On 4/14/2020 at 3:30 PM, Richard said:

My gym in Colorado is closed, they loaned out all their equipment to members to train at home, and are now holding classes via ZOOM,, until things get better,,, old friend used to say "IF YOU DON'T USE YOUR HEAD,, YOU MIGHT AS WELL NOT HAVE ONE"!

Hey Richard I'm glad that your gym was kind of enough to let it's students borrow equipment. How do you like the online classes via zoom? I've been enjoying my classes with my gym online.  It's not the same but it definitely helps to stay active and practice some technique. Take care and let's hope and pray that this will be over soon.

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1 hour ago, EderLA said:

Hey Richard I'm glad that your gym was kind of enough to let it's students borrow equipment. How do you like the online classes via zoom? I've been enjoying my classes with my gym online.  It's not the same but it definitely helps to stay active and practice some technique. Take care and let's hope and pray that this will be over soon.

I think the Zoom classes are helpful, but as you said, they are not as good as the real thing. Unfortunately I don't have room to hang a heavy bag,, and no partner to work with so shadow boxing is my only answer, but hopefully this will end soon and we can all get back to proper training,, Stay Well!

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My gym's open again now - limited numbers and no sparring or clinch. Went to the lunch time session earlier. West Australia shut itself off from the rest of Australia and the world and it's worked well. I think there's only a handful of active cases in the whole state so things are starting to return to normal (schools have gone back, restaurants allowed limited openings).

Felt great to smash the pads again!

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21 hours ago, MadelineGrace said:

I just started training Muay Thai again for the past 2 weeks or so after 4 months off due to covid restrictions.

 

it makes me sooo happy and I leave class feeling alive 

Nice, I'm glad you're back to it that's good to hear that places are still trying to provide services. My Muay Thai gym opened back up but had someone tested positive for COVID so they had to close back down but they are still going hard on the Zoom classes. I unfortunately got sick recently nothing related to COVID but it took me out for a while. I'm also just getting back to training again so I can share your enthusiasm.

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