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We did a flow spar class the other day. And I had some issues with reacting defensively, but when they're done, I'm able to go again. Like I'm just waiting to go again and forget all my defense training from boxing.

 

But while flow sparring, almost every person I had a go with kept going for my head much harder than necessary. I don't know if that's due to inexperience or not knowing their own strength or what. And I would try to tell them to take it easy on the head shots. But they either didn't register or just didn't want to pay attention. Granted, I know I'm shorter than everyone, but we were only supposed to be at 20% power tops. I shouldn't be feeling like I'm getting whiplash or have my face stinging should I ?

 

Anywho, I saw this article muaythaiguy shared on fb, and thought it a good one to share (if you haven't seen it already.. I imagine a lot of us follow some of the same pages/people).

 

 

http://heatrick.com/2015/05/15/brain-saving-sparring/?utm_content=buffer0cfb0&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

 

Thoughts? Comments ? How do you deal with people who give headshots much harder than necessary?

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I just came back home from training and my head feels a bit funny after getting hit hard by one guy...a lot of times...I'm seriously scared of heavy shots to the head...it scares me when I feel like a hammer has punched me :( :( And he's just "taking me seriously" - I dunno...I'm scared of the consequences.

 

 

In reality, a head guard doesn't stop your brain smashing into the inside of your skull, it just minimises external surface cuts and bruising. If you wrap that aerosol paint can in a towel and shake it, the mixing ball still smashes into the inside of the can. And a head guard actually adds to the mass of your skull that's hitting into your brain! You also take more head shots when wearing a head guard, because you can't see as well, and your head's now a bigger target too. So don't go heavy with the head-contact while wearing a head guard thinking you're safe, 'cos you ain't.

 

This scares me even more. I usually spar in head guard. Why am I doing this to myself?! I think I'd rather NOT think abouth the concussions, coz I get frightened and there's a small part of me that wants to give up. Or don't spar. Or spar lightly. But I realised that the things I can react to in light sparring - I can't react to them when there is more strenght to the punches. So...I'm not sure if light sparring is really doing me any good, other than being a lot of fun.

My head still feel funny :( and I'm still scared ;(

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I know a fella who stopped fighting because he had reached the number of concussions you are meant to have in your life! I had probably double that before I started muaythai from rugby and drunken silliness!!

 

As for people being too hard sparring don't spar them!! Im a southpaw and would flat out refuse to spar some people (mostly novice) as I would get injured.

 

Use it to work on your movement like in sparring its not just hitting each other work on slipping the punches or stepping to the side.

 

I actually box hard but I don't mean to, I like getting a good wack every now and then so its not a big shock in a fight!

 

But like I said even right at the start of me fighting I wouldn't spar someone and just be like 'eeeh cos you try to take my bleeding head off'

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A few years ago when I was in a boxing gym I had to spar with some guys who would basically try as hard as possible to give you a whack, even when our instructor was telling everyone to go at 20% power for example. Originally I just kept telling them to tone it down, until eventually I took it up with the instructor that I wasn't exactly comfortable. He just told me to whack them back. I think this is an obvious example of how it shouldn't be approached. I'm also curious how others approach these people

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I'm not a heavy hitter.. Whacking back isn't an option lol. But I can land a leg thip pretty well, and lower kicks. My only saving grace really. Coach doesn't approve of people going harder than necessary. But he doesn't always catch it. So if we're not vocal or the person isn't listening.. Is refusing a logical option ? I don't want to be that person.. But I will be if someone's going way too hard for no good reason. I don't want to get hurt practicing. I'll reserve that opportunity for when I step into the ring.

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How timely this topic...

So last Sat. we had light sparring and I told all of my partners to go easy and not punch through the target (at 40 yrs. old, I DO worry about heavy head shots.)  All partners were excellent and I even got to go with a top mma female...

For the next maybe 8 hours I had this dull pain in my head, not quite a headache.  I've gotten whacked plenty hard before and that has never happened. I figure that I will watch to see if it happens again.

Watching Sylvie's 116th fight, I feel like a chump complaining about light sparring. hehehe.

Bottom line, "go easy and don't punch through the target" was well received by all my partners, even IF I got the dull ache. 

Hope that we can all minimize head trauma while pursuing our Muay Thai goals.

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I've recently left a gym after 3 years because of a similar issue. I love sparring, and I've learned a lot about myself by facing a big fear of getting hit in the head when I first started training. I've taken some big head shots but it's always been an accidental clash with a lot of apologizing and such afterwards. I'm an extremely small female so I often have to ask people to speed it up just a little bit because they're afraid of hurting me.

Unfortunately, I started having seizures (completely unrelated to Muay Thai)in December last year, right before a trip to Thailand with a potential fight lined up. I still wanted sparring time to keep my skills up but couldn't have head contact for 6 months. Everyone at my gym was so understanding and very cognizant of my injury; I didn't get hit in the head once.

I still went to Thailand with my main training partner and my teacher. We've had an agreement: no head shots thrown at me, but I can throw at them. Now, I don't know exactly why this happened and can't get an explanation out of them other than "it wasn't malicious", but I ended up getting hit repeatedly in the head by my partner and kicked in the head by my teacher. I'm not sure if they were frustrated with me, if I was sparring too hard and they wanted to get me to slow down. We were supposed to be going 20% but it felt like they were thrown much harder. The article Sylvie wrote on sparring perception definitely rang true for me at that moment because there isn't a precise, objective way of knowing why it happened. To say the least, I left that gym!

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Damien Trainor wrote a great piece about sparring http://www.damientrainor.com/2012/you-dont-need-to-win-in-sparring maybe you should show them this, haha.

Anyway I had this problem once at a gym, I was only young at the time and sparring a man who put 100% in every shot and then actually complained when I would hit back very lightly just because they were 10oz gloves (no one else has ever complained). Some people like to boost their ego, I think sometimes a whack back can work, but I just don't want to be that guy. 

Needless to say, I left it. I joined a new gym and was sparring someone else who was a complete beginner and who was trying to win the sparring, he wasn't hurting me, but he was trying. My trainer just shouted at him and he apologised and we just laughed it off.

 

So in my opinion, you're always going to have people that go hard in sparring, whether it's because they're a beginner (maybe watched too many films) or just have a massive ego, but a good trainer will always enforce the light sparring rule and then it shouldn't happen. 

Though if you spar someone much heavier and they are hitting you lightly, it might just feel hard, when in reality it's not. I spar this guy regularly who's maybe double my weight, he kicks me lightly but because he's so big it makes a big impact, I don't get hurt but the impact makes me feel like I did, its weird to explain, so this is not his fault, just more of a mental and size thing.

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Damien Trainor wrote a great piece about sparring http://www.damientrainor.com/2012/you-dont-need-to-win-in-sparring maybe you should show them this, haha.

Anyway I had this problem once at a gym, I was only young at the time and sparring a man who put 100% in every shot and then actually complained when I would hit back very lightly just because they were 10oz gloves (no one else has ever complained). Some people like to boost their ego, I think sometimes a whack back can work, but I just don't want to be that guy. 

Needless to say, I left it. I joined a new gym and was sparring someone else who was a complete beginner and who was trying to win the sparring, he wasn't hurting me, but he was trying. My trainer just shouted at him and he apologised and we just laughed it off.

 

So in my opinion, you're always going to have people that go hard in sparring, whether it's because they're a beginner (maybe watched too many films) or just have a massive ego, but a good trainer will always enforce the light sparring rule and then it shouldn't happen. 

Though if you spar someone much heavier and they are hitting you lightly, it might just feel hard, when in reality it's not. I spar this guy regularly who's maybe double my weight, he kicks me lightly but because he's so big it makes a big impact, I don't get hurt but the impact makes me feel like I did, its weird to explain, so this is not his fault, just more of a mental and size thing.

That mental size thing is weird.  I feel like I go quite light and have great control, but I think just the height of me (particularly as a woman) just causes fear (which can then cause things to get out of control).  I have not had a chance to try to create fear in a fight situation though a real fighter presumably would have fun trying to shut down my reach etc.  I don't weigh much but yeah, size.  Someone called me a "wall" the other day.  My old Spanish training friend called me a "bull"; not so fond of that one haha. :ninja: Seriously though I KNOW I am going light and people cannot seem to calm down.  I need to spar with more advanced people and I look forward to it.

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This is a tough one. You are always going to be paired up with a shitty sparring partner at some point. At the same time, there are also lots of people who have absolutely no control or awareness of how heavy they are actually going, so not all of them are intentionally shitty. In any case, sparring hard all the time isn't going to help you learn, in my experience. I think it actually causes you to develop bad habits, like flinching, not committing, not pushing forward etc because you're afraid of running into something and getting hurt. You need to be able to practice things in a safe environment in order to be come competent and confident enough to actually use the effectively and then take them into a fight. It's not that hard sparring doesn't have its place, but if you're trying to take people's heads off every day, you're a dick.


I seem to be one of those people in the gym who my trainers will let spar with just about anyone, regardless of weight or experience differences. They're comfortable with putting me with complete beginners because they know I'm going to go light. However, this has worked against me with people who like to go hard. I've had a lot of people try to bully me around in sparring, usually because they see the fact that I'm small and not aggressive to be opportunities for them to try and beat me around the ring. I do my best to keep cool about it, because you can't afford to lose your temper in a fight. I also hate to have any confrontation or awkwardness in the gym, so I try very hard to be a good sparring partner as well as a good fighter, because it's not just about me and my training. The ones who've bullied me actually helped me to get better at fighting backwards and using their aggression against them, moving around a lot and picking my shots. When they're not willing to tone it down, I turn it into an exercise in out-classing them. It's probably a bit mean, but I get a real kick out of being able to do that effectively when someone is just trying to bash me. If the person doing that gets visibly frustrated and isn't able to land anything, I've been successful. I'll be nice, but I refuse to be a punchbag.


How you react to difficult sparring partners often depends on what kind of person they are. With some people, you can just tell them politely to chill, and it will be fine. With others, they'll say it's fine but continue to throw bombs either because they don't care or don't realise they're doing it. Sometimes, you do just have to give someone a good whack to make them get the idea. That's a dangerous game, because a lot of people will just try to hit you back twice as hard, then it ends up escalating until someone gets hurt or you get separated. Then, it can get a bit awkward. 


As an add-on to what I said before about a lot of hard sparring not being conducive to progress, I also want to mention that Joe Valtellini was recently forced to vacate his Glory Welterweight title because of post-concussion syndrome, which came as a result of too many hard hits in training. Read more about that here


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I am another one who seems to always get chucked in there with new people or people who are going hard. I imagine it is for the same reasons as you Emma, I usually go pretty light, and I think we both do a good job of controlling the tempo. I also have used this at times as a venue to learn how to just get out of the way more or work on my defense. Hahaha maybe they just think we make good punching bags?

 

I usually handle a situation when someone is going to hard by just really really slowing it down. Often times it seems that my partner just wasn't consciously aware of their speed/power, and when I slow down they subconsciously slow down as well. If I don't feel that is the case I try to stop it early and just tell them I think we are beginning to speed up or lose a little control. If that still doesn't work I just hit them back lol. That is real rare though.

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The first and obvious way is that because Muay Thai is a public performance the job of the fighter is to express "soul stuff". That means knowing the cultural signatures of "soul stuff", being practiced in displaying them, including aspects of command and control, invulnerability and of course charisma. Perhaps no fighter in history displayed soul stuff more than Samart, who expressed a very Rama/Vishnu quality, a potent equipoise. You cannot thoroughly understand Samart's greatness without seeing just how much (read here:) he signified "soul stuff" within the culture. This photo of him with the vanquished and bloody (aggressive, Muay Khao great) Namphon, gives some sense of it. But the signatures of soul stuff in Thailand's Muay Thai, and even kinds of personal charisma are not only of one kind. A great, unrelenting knee fighter like Dieselnoi will have tremendous soul stuff. 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All the soul stuff that brought these fighters into being, that is poured into these fighters, is in combat. (This is a big reason why Westerners do not quite understand the role of gambling in Muay Thai. It seems to them to be just a corrupt interference in "pure sport". But in fact it is a layering of the contest of competing powers, men with soul stuff outside the ring...for better or worse. Under the spiritual logic of soul stuff fighters are never just "them". They literally invoke deities with their Ram Muay. In their Wai Kru they evoke their teachers. All of their skills and ascetic practice in training is summoned, publicly, into the ring. Fighters represent and embody.) This is not fundamentally different than the spirit-logic of cosmic battle that governed warfare in the great Ayutthayian Empire 500 years ago. What has changed is "who" is seen to have soul stuff, fundamentally a question of changing culture and values. As to the practice of Muay Thai itself, in the training kaimuay, and in the ring, one has to grasp that the fighting art and the fighting sport cannot be completely separated. Traditional kaimuay are technical houses of the inculcation in soul stuff. One is learning the practices which will give you power in a physical contest, but a contest which ultimately is also a spiritual contest. The techniques of a particular kru, the styles of a particular gym name, are a practical knowledge of Thai combat power. And the conditions of its practice are necessarily those of discipline and ascetic self control. The fundamentals of posture (ruup), timing and balance are meant to create liberty in the fighter, and its presentation to the judges and audience. Specific techniques, ways of blocking, attacking, avoiding, punishing or damaging, controlling, frustrating, overwhelming, are a kind of complex grammar of soul stuff. You display that you have more, and in defeating your opponent, in some sense you take some of their soul stuff as your own. And, as fighters share the ring with you, they too can gain soul stuff through proximate association (if you have a great deal). For deeper dives into this here I write in some detail about the social conditions of Thai training practices through the thinking of the sociologist Bourdieu: Trans-Freedoms Through Authentic Muay Thai Training in Thailand Understood Through Bourdieu's Habitus, Doxa and Hexis, and here I write about how the philosopher Agamben's study of 13th century Franciscan monastic practices help explain the rule-following power of Thai gym training for Westerners: Thailand's Muay Thai Gym, Authenticity and the Escape from Capitalism | Agamben on The Highest Poverty The importance of this insight into soul stuff and its transmittability is I believe that it unlocks much of the question about the religiosity (or spirituality) behind Thailand's Muay Thai. Often it is simply dismissed altogether because it does not seem reducible to the few obvious, formal rites that surround Muay Thai fighting. And, the magical practices of its past do not seem to embody most, or even much of any of Thailand's Muay Thai as non-Thais experience it. I suggest that the logic of soul stuff is so prevalent, so shoots-through Thailand's Muay Thai, even in its most secular and commercialized expressions, its so omnipresent it is almost impossible to see by Westerners (and others) who can carry different cultural view of power. It though is something that is much closer to a Chinese metaphysical concept of Yin and Yang, a base assumption which explains many diverse practices, whether they be spiritual or quite secular, woven into the perspective of a culture and how it bonds together. And, as the historian O. W. Wolters argued, these beliefs lay at root beneath very diverse cultures all across Southeast Asia, spilling well over any particular country's barriers. And...if you kept the logic of "soul stuff" in mind you would get a better sense of what the difficult training in Muay Thai is truly focused on...the melding of the spiritual and the martial going back perhaps 2,000 years, as it is expressed and conceived in today's contemporary culture, and as the art of Muay Thai itself has come to embody it over the past 100 years or so.   For a the primary source on O. W. Wolter's concept of "soul stuff" read here:            
    • SJC74 - Here's my recent January 2023 experience training for one-week at 'Santai', and one-week at 'Boon Lanna', both gyms located outside/south of Chiang Mai city center. TL;DR, I'd pick Boon Lanna Muay Thai for one-month dedicated training with minimal life outside of training, eating, recovering, sleeping.  Context: I spent early October 2022 to early January 2023 in Northern Thailand; 2.5-months in Pai, 1-month in Chiang Mai. I learned Muay Thai basics at Wisarut Gym in Pai at a relaxed pace. I wasn't killing myself during that time, but was able to develop a baseline foundation for the sport and improve general fitness. After leaving Pai in second week of January 2023, I went to train at two gyms outside of Chiang Mai, Santai and Boon Lanna. I did not train at Hongthong, but I did stop by in the midafternoon to see it. Here's my two cents as a beginner. First thing to note, and arguably the most important consideration is how far from old town Chiang Mai you're comfortable being. The best gyms in CM are a ways away from the nightlife/tourist action happening in the city. You'll need to plan logistics accordingly. Having a motorbike, accommodation, quick food/grocery options, social life requirements, touristic desires etc. are all considerations that need to be made. There are a lot of gym options in and around Chiang Mai. Hover over the greater city on Google Maps and search 'Muay Thai Gym', and you'll see many of the options. Most have websites and/or facebook pages to glean information from to get general vibe of the gym, while others have a sparce internet presence that requires an in-person visit to get the scoop. I visited four gyms in total, but only trained at two.  Santai: I trained here 6 sessions total, once per day monday to saturday mostly in the afternoon. This was the busiest gym in Thailand that I trained at thus far, with an average 30 students per session, and 6-8 instructors. This is a good gym if you want to sleep, train, and be social with other students and not have too much of a life outside of training. People spend months living and training there together, so naturally the "family" like feelings evolve amongst students and trainors. Everyone was friendly, but I kept my head down and didn't socialize too much beyond basic pleasantries. A months time is long enough to develop stronger relationships if that's what you're seeking. English was common enough amongst students and trainers to make communication easy and clear. Despite the gym being a bit small for the large number of students, it's equipped with three rings and many bags. Because of the many people, it was lacking in the sanitation department; it felt a bit dirty for my personal standards, but keeping in mind that I've been a long time mild germophobe so learning Muay Thai has been an exercise in acceptance for me. Standards and personal comfort vary of course, I'm just saying it could use a good powerwash and mop.   The general class routine was: run/skip rope, group stretching/shadowboxing technique, padwork, bagwork, clinching, stretch/cool-down. While you're going through group stretch, the woman who handles office/paperwork affairs and the two old-head instructors list names on the whiteboard for padwork assignments. Each pad holder had 3-5 names underneath them and each student would get 3 5-minutes rounds with them. It seemed like the newbies were assigned to go first and each day you'd be with a different pad holder who would work you in different ways, while evaluating your skill level. The two old-head instructors would walk around with their sticks whacking stick correcting form of folks working a bag. You're sort of on your own after padwork, so you'll want to come prepared with a few combinations you want to practice on the bag, otherwise you might be a little aimless and unfocused; at least that was the case for me as a newbie. Overall, this gym was a 6/10 for me. I'm grateful I went and experienced it for the sake of gym comparisons, but I wouldn't return here. Keep in mind I'm rather introverted and would prefer to train with Thai's than foreigners. It was 70/30 foreigners to Thai's training there. I stayed 10-minutes down the road from the gym. There's a main street near gym with accommodation, restaurants, and locals-only night markets. Odds are the only other westerners you'll see around that area are also gym goers. I think someone could quickly improve their skill level dedicating one-month to training here, just don't expect to do too many tourist activities outside of training, eating, recovering, sleeping. Students and trainers fight out of the gym and seem to be in different promotions weekly. If you want to fight, that's definitely possible here.  Boon Lanna: The monday after Santai I moved accommodation down the road 20-minutes to a place near Boon Lanna Muay Thai where I also trained for 6 sessions total, once per day monday to saturday mostly in the afternoon. This is the former Lanna gym Sylvie trained at. She mentioned it's a different gym now than it used to be, so I can give an update to what it is like now. This has been my favorite gym to date. The new owner, Master Boon, sponsors Thai fighters from the Hilltribe, so when you train here, you're mostly training with them. It was 80/20 Thai to foreigner ratio and an amazing experience. Sylvie recently wrote about gyms having golden years where there's a bunch of people training/fighting out of a gym an times are good, and other times when the same gym has dried up and it's a shell of it's former self as people move on. This gym seems to be in early stages of new golden period as Master Boon and his female partner seem motivated and have a good thing going. They are currently having new student housing built on the property attached to the facility. The existing facility is very nice, very clean, wide-open-air facility. There was only one non-thai living there, a Canadian, the rest were Hilltribe boys/men. My technique, confidence, and general understanding of the sport improved significantly in only a few sessions as they paid a lot more attention to me. After light conditioning and shadowing boxing, every session began with light sparing where Master Boon selected matchups, randomizing opponents for 3-4 round. Sparing against the Thai boys was very helpful, but at ~185cm (6-foot) felt strange punching and kicking a literal child. These kids were tough and strong though, and I saw in advance pictures of them online bloodied up smiling after a fight. We both knew that I couldn't hurt them, and we both knew they could wreck me any second, which actually helped me feel relaxed in a way I've ever never felt before. After sparing, padwork, then bagwork. Both of which I felt like I received ample and helpful guidance for improved power and technique. Everyone was patient with me which was appreciated. I'm a slow learner. Classes end with 45min-1hour clinching, which I did not do, opting for strength conditioning with a few others instead, concluding with abs, stretch, cool-down. Sit Thailand MT Gym: This gym is closer to old town, next to airport. Has accommodation nearby, I dropped in mid afternoon just to see it, no opinion. Lookup 'joelxthewolf' on instagram. He documents his training/fighting out of that gym and you can get a sense of things from him. Looks legit.  Hongthong: Drove past. A bit closer to old town, but still outside a ways. Fighters often on local promotion. Sizeable open-air gym. No opinion.  Like I said, there are many others to choose from. Get a motorbike on arrival and spend your first day dropping into several to get a feel before commiting. Manop. Buakaw's Banchamek Gym, Chiang May Muay Thai, Santai, Sit, Hongthong etc. Be prepared to be on the road all day for that, Chiang Mai is surprisingly quite big and spread out.  Here is the average weather forecast is for July in Chiang Mai: "This month is known as a warm month. The average maximum daytime temperature in Chiang Mai in July lies at 31.7°C (89.06°F). The average minimum temperature is 24.0°C (75.2°F) (usually the minimum temperature is noted at night). The amount of rain during this month is high with an average of 145mm (5.7in). It rains an average of 19 days of the month. The sun will occasionally show itself with 121 hours of sunshine during the entire month." Something to consider. I should have taken better notes during my training, but didn't, so these are just some of my recollections/feelings. Ask away with any questions, I'll be glad to give my two cents. I am now training at a small gym in Isaan and plan to be more diligent and methodical with documenting my progress and experience. I'd like to post and participate in this forum more. Thank you Sylvie and Kevin for the platform and second hand push to do so, and all the info you've provided over the years- it's been very helpful for me on this journey and I'm having so much fun. 
    • thank you 😃   can you point timestamps? i think you are right and i'm trying to improve it, specially when i get tagged i "panic". It's getting a little better. About everything else, i guess i'll have to try to discover if it's my thing. I don't know if it counts but because we are a bit silly and unskilled i already experienced some damage.. in the end i'm in the rain and ready to get wet, soon i'll see, whatever happens, happens, maybe i'll drown, maybe not!
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