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Today during light sparring the trainer ordered me to spar around with a smaller and less experienced guy. I am normally very composed and controlled, as was also the case in my last round after that with a quite competent woman: I was super tender, also because I noticed inhibition in her, and told her that she could/should go harder against me next time (without having intention to go harder on her).

But this guy, oh boy: Not only did he turtle (i.e. fight defensive/reactionary) nonstop, but he also only one trick ponied, otherwise running all over the place (good luck trying that in a ring). So a "one trick turtle," combining two irritating things at the same time. His trick: trying to catch my kicks, otherwise literally doing virtually nothing. But it gets even more retarded: Not only did he not use any technique after his attempted catches - he simply plowed (against rules), bringing me to the ground 2 times that way -, he also (unintentionally) abused the circumstance that I was kicking without power and nowhere near top speed.

It did not take long for this (unintentional but nevertheless) jerk to get me mad (but still fairly in control). I was basically like: "So, the retarded and abusing one trick turtle that you are likes to catch kicks? Then how about those!" I in other words increased especially speed but also power, but still without going full power or without aiming for his head. Trainer was watching and soon kinda told me to slow down. I then settled for walking the jerk throughout the gym while he was backpedalling nonstop, and the round fortunately ended soon afterwards.

And what gets you mad during sparring/fighting?
 

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I don't get mad in sparring, but we do have one guy who excessively catches kicks. If they were full power they'd be too hard/fast for him to catch every single one. It just makes me work on other aspects of my game.

 

I could be in a fight and hurt my leg and not be able to use kicks anymore. It's not unreasonable to practice your other "6 limbs" against him.

 

Try to breathe and remember that this is practice and you're helping each other improve. When I'm with newer people I often handicap myself and try to work on specific weaknesses of mine. Have fun!

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Things that get me annoyed: sparring taller guys who only try to go for head kick the entire round because of our obvious height discrepancy; new people who try to use "fancy" techniques like jumping/spinning kicks when their other techniques are pretty much non-existent; people that are too "jittery/spazing out"; people who have no self-control and treat a sparring session like it is a last round of a title fight; the biggest one though is bigger guys that are showboating, trying to push/trip me in a joking around way, the things that they would not be able to do to anyone their own size so to me it feels disrespectful and a waste of my time trying to spar with a person like that so at that point I just don't even bother engaging to much, just basically waiting until the end of the round as I don't feel like putting any more effort into sparring with someone like that.

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 It's not unreasonable to practice your other "6 limbs" against him.

 

When I'm with newer people I often handicap myself and try to work on specific weaknesses of mine.

 Good advice there, but I really could not apply that in that session: We don't really do elbows and virtually no knees yet, plus the dude kept running nonstop, so I also could not use my fists. It was easily the most retarded 'sparring session' I ever had.

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Most of the time we do timing sparring, though I do enjoy the occasional hard sparring session. The thing that makes me rage is when someone asks to go light/do timing sparring and then proceeds to start going hard and fast to "get" something because their timing won't let them. It's probably unintentional, but SUPER annoying no less. 

I also loathe when you have someone in the room who only seeks out partners who are smaller and/or less experienced and then proceeds to clown on them. Bigger guys are usually good at noticing these types, and will take care of the problem :wink: Speaking of which, I love heavyweights. They have a tendency to be the best training partners, even if they have over 100lbs on everyone else. 

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I get furious and frustrated with myself for being too slow, or missing a good shot, or failing to put up an adequate block - especially if it's something I've already been caught out on and I know I have to correct it!

However I am pretty good at taking a deep breath, calming down, and trying to use the annoyance to strengthen my game.

My trainer sometimes deliberately tries to wind me up, which is good it means I have to keep a lid on my emotions and not get riled, because that only leads to disaster (which is why he does it, to teach control).

It drives me crazy though when he is pinging in and out with his lovely footwork and constantly disappearing just as I'm trying to set up a shot, then zipping in and smacking me! But boy, is it teaching me to improve my own footwork and to watch for the moment when I can shoot in and catch him.

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I agree with Kaitlin on the rage induced by the dude who only wants to go against someone much smaller or less skilled. I'm 100 lbs and scraping 5'2", so when a guy who is 180 lbs wants to spar with me instead of the far more reasonable partners available at the gym - and then fucking coach me - I get really annoyed.

In a different vein, I hate when people go too light. There's a line past which being too light is just nonsense. If I'm pitching a baseball I do have to throw it hard enough to reach the damn plate so the guy with the bat can hit it, otherwise what the hell are we doing? Usually it's insulting as well because the person going that light is doing so with the belief that they can hurt me due to my size. I address this both physically and verbally, but some people just won't get it together. If Pi Nu can't hurt me, you certainly can't. (and he can, and does)

And above all I hate when people get emotional. Just don't, it's not fun.

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Most of the time we do timing sparring, though I do enjoy the occasional hard sparring session.

The thing that makes me rage is when someone asks to go light/do timing sparring and then proceeds to start going hard and fast to "get" something because their timing won't let them. It's probably unintentional, but SUPER annoying no less. 

Speaking of which, I love heavyweights. They have a tendency to be the best training partners, even if they have over 100lbs on everyone else. 

Agreed on all points and based on experience. Funny thing at my gym is there are two to three guys who have slightly above 100kgs compared to my ~84kgs, but due to being the closest to them in terms of height and weight, I spar with them mostly and it's also pretty good.

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I don't mind getting thrown or tripped, unless my sparring partner attacks without giving me a sec to get back on my feet. That just pushes my buttons, but I'm too new to the sport to do much with that anger.

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  • People who stopped training for 1 year or so than come back skip half the warm up because a lack of condition and go all out in sparring but tell you before the round starts "Please go light I didn't train for long", than they need to sit down after 2 rounds because it is too tiring...

     

  • When you are able to land something good but you hold back because it is sparring and not fighting and they take advantage of it (like a shin placed in their neck => They try to throw or sweep you as hard as they can. Like being able to knee them on the head => get a killer hook on the face for being a bit sloppy because you don't go 100% and hold back.

     

  • People who wanna go hard on you but don't like it if you return it (sparring).
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  • When people show up super late - missing the warm-up and half the drilling time
  • When your partner doesn't touch gloves at the beginning of the round
  • Volume strikers - it annoys me because it is not something I am able to deal with yet so I get very frustrated
  • When your partner gets a good shot, but they get freaked out because you're a woman so they stop to apologize even though you're perfectly intent on continuing the round
  • When I get emotional
  • Someone who insists on coaching you during the round, even though they are not a coach or a pro fighter or even someone who has had a fight (shut your damn mouth!)
  • When people coach at the sidelines who are not my coach or pro fighters
  • When bigger guys are still new so they don't understand their power and thus have less control, making them (in my opinion) spazzy and dangerous

Most of the issues I have with sparring are with myself. Namely, getting emotional and frustrated that I don't feel like I can keep up. It's something I'm working on. :)

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Let's add something to it:

This fit with the sparring partner that keeps going hard but just started training.
Catching a kick is okay (you can catch the kick because we are sparring technical, otherwise your ribs wouldn't like it that much) than holding it like some kind of heel lock is not needed and when you are falling down, please let go of my heel instead of pulling me also down.

Not that comfy for my heel.  :sleep:

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I'm still trying to find that happy medium between going too hard and taking it too easy. Light sparring seems to mean "slow" in my mind. So I'll relax and take it easy when cued by a trainer, but then slow way down, eat more shots and miss everything I throw. Good times.

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    • Hey so im an ammateur fighting in europe mostly at DIY events. The thing is even though every fight I improve I am never able to win and its starting to get to me.  I have 5 fights in total 2 k1 and 3 muay thai and iv never won a muay thai, won 1 k1 cos my cardio was better than the other girl and I just out brawld her.  People say wow your technique is so much better than the fight I saw you in last year etc but it still feels bitter to constantly lose. I know i am improving but feel that I always just get tougher and tougher matches, the last 3 fights I lost have all been very close fights. One I lost cos my opponent got injured and broke her ankle when I bloked with a knee but she was able to hide it, another one I lost cos she was using more clean techniques and I was brawling (this one I agree with 100% cos I was landing but it was sloppy.)  The last one I lost cos my cardio was bad which is also fine. I am fine with losing, its just starting to get to me that I never win. It also kinda annoys me that the only fight I ever won was one that I just outbrawled the other girl. Feels like my improvements havnt really helped me cos I just get matched with tougher and tougher opponents each time.  Im wondering if I should give up on decision fights for a while and just do non decisions to get my condifence back up or whether I will eventually break through and be able to win. I am also kinda old at 32 so even though my technique is improving my strength, reflexes and reactions will begin to fade soon. 
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    • Don't know if this brand offers shin guards but might as well check them out. I bought a few pairs of shorts from them a while ago and was genuinely impressed. https://siamkickfight.com/
    • Hi all, I have paid a deposit to a gym in Pai near Chiang Mai to train at in January. I am now concerned about the pollution levels at that time of year because of the burning season. Can you recommend a location that is likely to have safer air quality for training in January? I would like to avoid Bangkok and Phuket, if possible. Thank you!
    • Hi, this might be out of the normal topic, but I thought you all might be interested in a book-- Children of the Neon Bamboo-- that has a really cool Martial Arts instructor character who set up an early Muy Thai gym south of Miami in the 1980s. He's a really cool character who drives the plot, and there historically accurate allusions to 1980s martial arts culture. However, the main thrust is more about nostalgia and friendships.    Can we do links? Childrenoftheneonbamboo.com Children of the Neon Bamboo: B. Glynn Kimmey: 9798988054115: Amazon.com: Movies & TV      
    • Davince Resolve is a great place to start. 
    • I see that this thread is from three years ago, and I hope your journey with Muay Thai and mental health has evolved positively during this time. It's fascinating to revisit these discussions and reflect on how our understanding of such topics can grow. The connection between training and mental health is intricate, as you've pointed out. Finding the right balance between pushing yourself and self-care is a continuous learning process. If you've been exploring various avenues for managing mood-related issues over these years, you might want to revisit the topic of mental health resources. One such resource is The UK Medical Cannabis Card, which can provide insights into alternative treatments.
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