Beginner want to learn Muay femur Lerdsila style fighting

[Cynical]

Hi everyone,

Just became a patreon member because I've started to be really interested in Muay Thai. I've been doing basic techniques and exercises at my gym that has a heavy bag. My favorite fighter I've seen is Lerdsila, I really like his tricky and evasive style of fighting. So I've been trying to emulate some of his combos that consists of feints and tricky combos. I just wanted to maybe get some general information on what you think is the best way to start learning the Muay femur style of Muay Thai. Also a more specific question is I've been trying to learn the question mark kick that Lerdsila and Saenchai tend to use. With my rear leg I can manage doing the question mark kick decently, I can still use improvement. But when I try with my lead leg I seem to not have enough hip flexibility for it. What are some good hip dexterity and flexibility stretches or drills you can recommend to help my kicks.

 

This is my first post and I'm excited to be apart of this community. 

Thanks

[Sylvie von Duuglas-Ittu]

19 hours ago, Cynical said:

Hi everyone,

Just became a patreon member because I've started to be really interested in Muay Thai. I've been doing basic techniques and exercises at my gym that has a heavy bag. My favorite fighter I've seen is Lerdsila, I really like his tricky and evasive style of fighting. So I've been trying to emulate some of his combos that consists of feints and tricky combos. I just wanted to maybe get some general information on what you think is the best way to start learning the Muay femur style of Muay Thai. Also a more specific question is I've been trying to learn the question mark kick that Lerdsila and Saenchai tend to use. With my rear leg I can manage doing the question mark kick decently, I can still use improvement. But when I try with my lead leg I seem to not have enough hip flexibility for it. What are some good hip dexterity and flexibility stretches or drills you can recommend to help my kicks.

 

This is my first post and I'm excited to be apart of this community. 

Thanks

Hi, welcome to the community! For hip flexibility I have this recommendation: 

 

However, I suspect it's less to do with flexibility in a general sense, but that your back foot isn't at the same width/position that your lead foot is when you throw the kick. When we switch our stance or do things opposite from our dominant side, we often don't position the body with symmetry. See where you put your lead foot in relation to your shoulder and hips, then see if it's the same on the other side. Likely, you're too narrow.

Learning Femeu style is 99% moving and feeling. This means lots and lots of shadowboxing and sparring. Experimenting, messing with your partners, seeing if you can trick and fool them, etc. Far more an "imitation game" of watching your favorite fighter and then impersonating them than it is a combination or set of particular "moves" to make you evasive. You can steal the techniques, but you have to just do them and do them forever until they look natural.

In the library, Namsaknoi, Karuhat, Silapathai, Attachai are all good for learning some of these techniques.

[Cynical]

Thanks a lot for the reply, I'm already half way through the Silapathai video since I knew he is from Jocky gym where a lot of my favorite fighter are from and there is a lot of good info that I learned already. I'll keep in mind my symmetry when throwing kicks from my weaker side. 

[AndyMaBobs]

You don't. Not for now at least. 

Your best bet is to make sure in a muay thai class regularly and learning the basics, but when I say learning the basics I don't mean understanding them in principle, but I mean drilling them over and over, in the same way a Vasyl Lomachenko would. 

Lerdsila isn't actually doing anything crazy or advanced. He just has perfect fundamentals, because he's so comfortable there, that frees him up to feint more and throw his brazillian kicks with more accuracy! So don't get too worried about if you're doing what he would be doing in that situation, because you're going to have a very different upbringing in Muay Thai to him! 

Like Sylvie mentioned! There's going to be a ton of sparring and moving involved, lots of shadow boxing! But so long as you've mastered those fundamentals you'll be able to develop something similar to what he does with hard work. 

[Cynical]

1 hour ago, AndyMaBobs said:

You don't. Not for now at least. 

Your best bet is to make sure in a muay thai class regularly and learning the basics, but when I say learning the basics I don't mean understanding them in principle, but I mean drilling them over and over, in the same way a Vasyl Lomachenko would. 

Lerdsila isn't actually doing anything crazy or advanced. He just has perfect fundamentals, because he's so comfortable there, that frees him up to feint more and throw his brazillian kicks with more accuracy! So don't get too worried about if you're doing what he would be doing in that situation, because you're going to have a very different upbringing in Muay Thai to him! 

Like Sylvie mentioned! There's going to be a ton of sparring and moving involved, lots of shadow boxing! But so long as you've mastered those fundamentals you'll be able to develop something similar to what he does with hard work. 

Thanks for the advice, I appreciate it!

 

[Victoria Pitt]

I've trained with Lerdsila and he's really fun to watch.  He's also really nice.  But he is the way he is because he is so confident in what he knows.  When he's throwing kicks or goofing off, everyone stops to watch because its always so good.

[Cynical]

5 hours ago, Victoria Pitt said:

I've trained with Lerdsila and he's really fun to watch.  He's also really nice.  But he is the way he is because he is so confident in what he knows.  When he's throwing kicks or goofing off, everyone stops to watch because its always so good.

That's awesome that you got to train with him. Thanks for sharing 

[Oliver]

With those Femeu fighters, of course we see their cool jedi mindtrick moves, but a lot of them also have a real solid body kick when you watch them in training. (Even a lot of their tricks & feints etc are off or involve the body kick). Like.... stunning when you watch them throw just one of those on a bag... the delivery speed is crazy, disgustingly powerful on impact, and right back to sender with re-obtained guard, and every detail of that one attack and transition to the next detail is seamless. So is a a BJJ guy throwing up an armbar from the guard - there's like 9 details and steps involved in that 1 attack, and he has to make sure all 9 are right and bleed into eachother, for the whole thing to work. But to us it just looks like 1 thing.

Drilling the strong side rear body kick on the bag over and over were the orders given to me, but it's also the running, personally. We hear this advice millions of times from good guys further down the road than us, that running is everything blah blah blah. But after a while you realise it kinda is super true, and they're right that running tonnes every day makes your body kick stronger. Dunno why, it just does.

[AndyMaBobs]

On 8/4/2019 at 3:15 PM, Cynical said:

Thanks for the advice, I appreciate it!

 

Happy to help dude. 

If you record any training videos send them to me and I'll see what help I can give. I'm sure others will too!