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20 hours ago, Sylvie von Duuglas-Ittu said:
I remember Natasha Sky, who was at Sinbi at the time, said her trainers did Apple Cider Vinegar, cinnamon or cayenne pepper, and salt, then wrapped it in plastic wrap with that concoction under it. Never done that myself, but there it is. The work you're doing should be all you need to condition them for more of what you're doing, but I don't know that there's any way to "hack" the process. Obviously not recovering between is just going to be sore shins all the time, but stopping and starting is the same. Maybe use the bottom of your feet to "kick" for a bit.
Thanks so much Sylvie. I've never heard of the apple cider spice mix I think I'll give it a try. Sounds fun. The goal is to have the same experience as @Kero Tide describes above but it might be too late.
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2 hours ago, TeepKwaa said:
I suppose I'm just looking to get a better idea about the expectations of various gyms including running frequency, distance, and pacing. Just knowing what to be prepared for so I don't crash and burn. I'm over 30 now so a major concern is the balance between pushing through 'hurt' and avoiding actual injuries because my time is running out and I'd rather compete at less than ideal than not compete at all due to injury.
Basically I'm getting old and trying to figure out how to deal with it while trying to fight before it's too late.
I see it like this. There are two main reasons you want to run. 1. Show dedication so the gym invests in you. 2. Build stamina for a fight. If running causes injury there are other ways you can show dedication. And there are other strategies to build stamina. In my experience Thai trainers notice dedication and acknowledge it. I wouldn't be too worried if you can't run so and so many miles, but still show up and demonstrate dedication.
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Found this thread while I was searching for info on sparring without shin guards.
I'm currently sparring without shin guards (and mouth guard lost it cannot get hold of a new one for a while) and although I love it, the pain is getting to me. Obviously it's light sparring but we block shin on shin and my partner has the boniest hardest shinbones I've ever experienced and while my shins are full of dents, swollen, puddle of blood and stuff between skin and shin bone he doesn't feel it. My shins are burning most of the time.
I do the hot water towel massage thing. And put liniment on before training. And tiger balm before bed. Anything help to help speed up the hardening process? I've heard something about luke warm salt water should help?
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3 hours ago, RB Coop said:
Video of my first fight.Kinda sad that i couldn't do Wai Kru...I took one part to show clinch from a different angle, but quality is shit, but atleast it's not a blind spot as in the original video . Hope you guys like it. I know i made mistakes, but considering i trained only 3weeks muay thai for the first time, i'd say it wasn't reaal reaal bad. I'm with blue/red shorts btw.
With my amateur eye you look so great! Composure, nice kicks and everything. You must be so happy with this achievement ! Dude I'm so impressed.
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12 hours ago, RB Coop said:
I went to fight, 1st round TKO. I'll upload video when they will send me.
Yeah!!! Awesome.
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19 hours ago, RB Coop said:
Made a short video about thoughts and so on, not my first language so sorry for some wrong spelling.
I feel you.
It took me forever to get to fight in Thailand and it cost me a lot of money. I've also fought sick, had a doc telling me I couldn't possibly fight and yet during fight I felt 0 sickness and had a great experience. Then I got a knee ligament injury, trained around it kept making it worse and realized I had to rest to avoid permanent damage to the knee joint. And declined wonderful exciting fight offers which was so hard to do as I'm leaving Thailand soon for Myanmar.
This stuff is hard! There is really no easy way of doing this.
Whatever your decision I want to say I'm really impressed by your training and attitude with all those curve balls coming your way.
Curious to hear how it panned out.
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1 hour ago, RB Coop said:
I'll talk with the guy that's fighting today, i want hi's advice on this because he had similar experience in 1st fight. i don't want to cancel but at the same time i don't want like the trainers to look bad because if all people see me gass out in 2nd round they might think the trainers shouldn't let you fight in condition like this and so on, might not be good look for the gym name. difficult place to be in.
I understand. Puh. No easy situation. There's a chance adrenaline will take care of things for you though.
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12 minutes ago, RB Coop said:
I know i won't last more than 2rounds. Feels like im breathing thru a straw, that flu or whatever it is triggered my asthma. I feel kinda sad because i want to fight but at the same time i don't want the gym look bad by gassing out so quickly.
Are you cancelling the fight?
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3 hours ago, RB Coop said:
Anyone know how can i stop this before fight? Im running to toilet like 30mins to 1hour, can't imagine holding in diarrhea in the fight, i'll be looking for some meds.
Oh man that's rough! Go to pharmacy and ask what they recommend. To stop it you can try charcoal tablets, I've forgot the thai name but just ask. Also of course electrolytes (in every 7/11).
Btw for sleep there's a very strong antihistamine available OTC in most pharmacies called Codiphen (diphenhydramine also sold under name Benadryl). 2 of those pills knock me out completely and I've tried most stuff. But if you try them do your own research and take on own risk.
Best of luck man!
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5 hours ago, Banana36 said:
Just had a read. I dont consider myself heavy as i am 5ft 8 so weight never realy bothered me. I understand that ill probably struggle to get paired?
It's impossible to answer this as it depends on where you go and what other guys are training where you'll train and whether you'll fight a thai or foreigner. It won't be impossible but it might not be super easy.
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4 hours ago, Banana36 said:
Thank u and sorry for delay in replying. Yep im near 80kg so I did think I was heavy. Would I need to cut weight?
This guy weighs more than you and he's fighting soon
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5 hours ago, RB Coop said:
Only 1st half of Day 10 of training. 07:00-08:00 run. After that sprint for 5laps with tire and a brick. 15min shadow, 6rounds on the bag, 1round extra just for low kicks and hands. After that 300knees, 500teeps, some ab work and stretching. I was the only one working out today, because one guy fighting today, other guy fighting pakorn on sunday in Bangkok. As i finished workout Manop came out and said someone told him i have asthma and now he's afraid i'll have asthma attack in the fight, so he said he's going to give me even more hard training from monday to see if i don't gass out or have asthma attack. That's kinda not fair , one guy was training here for 2months, he gassed in 2nd round and ref stoped the fight. I have no problem going out the same way, but i think i could do better. But to withdraw me like that without giving a chance feels really unfair, especially considering he let that guy fight who gassed in 2, but is afraid to let me in. That's the reason i didn't want them to know about asthma, shouldn't told the gym friends, even tho i said don't tell Manop, seems like someone leaked. I hope in the end i get to have the experience regardless of the fight outcome.
Oh no I'm so sorry. Hoping it will work out!
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Puh. Not easy. Hopefully it works out and you get the training you need. Eager to hear how it unfolds.
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1 hour ago, RB Coop said:
Im def not giving up, but this is kinda frustraiting. They say im kinda heavy as other guys are 10-15kg lighter than me and have fights coming up, but so do i. I guess as they are staying here longer and representing their gym he wants to be careful with his fighters but i have upcoming fight 2, seems unfair that they don't let me do what other ppl who train there are doing, especially considering i'll have a fight. If you're not going to let me spar why sell expensive shin pads that im not even using.
That seems like an odd excuse, weight differences are common and I often see thai trainers sparring with less experienced heavier guys. Usually the head trainer knows how to control these differences. Are those fighters foreigners or thais? Is your fight confirmed? Sometimes it can sound like things are determined when they are really not...
It can be hard to understand communication in Thailand. Some times things that are not necessarily true are said to save face or to avoid discomfort.
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19 hours ago, RB Coop said:
. I noticet of the time even tho i bought expensive thick shin guards and i don't get to clinch often. Both most important parts of training if you're training for a fight and im not geting it. Had spar only once and clinch twice in this time while other guys always do it. Losing confidence as the times goes and fight gets closer, training hard is good, but if you get no spar and no clinch you're not doing the most important part of the training.
I'm a female fighter and after 1.5 years of training with the last nine months being in a traditional thai gym with mainly very skilled male fighters I learnt you have to ask for it. It's awkward and hard. As a woman I had to force myself to get in the ring while the others were clinching and more than once guys who've been paired up with me have refused to clinch. I was also told to get out of the ring to kick pads while the guys did hard sparring. I insisted and for a while I was forced to wear a helmet (which felt humiliating) until slowly I was accepted and then fully included.
I am not trying to hijack your diary (I really appreciate your posts btw) just to to tell you to not give up. If you pay for training you deserve to get what you paid for.
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On 11/24/2019 at 11:09 PM, Banana36 said:
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So im 12.5stone. Am I considered heavy for a thai fighter?
My experience from watching fights in Thailand for almost 2 years and training in Thailand for a year and a half tells me yes.
I go to watch fights in Bangkok quite frequently and I don't think I've ever seen anyone above 72 kilo (if even 72 kilo). I don't have the exact weight classes for Lumpinee and Rajadamnern but mainly it ranges between 48kg and 72kg or around those numbers. Same at MBK for example (but you can see guys weighing around 70). At shows like Max and Muay Extreme SuperChamp etc weights tend to be a bit higher but above 76kilo I'm not sure...
The guys at my gym fight at the national stadia, asiatique, and superchamp and the heaviest (foreigner) is 72kg and the heaviest thai 66kg (he mainly fights 64kg).
One of my previous trainers who is known internationally (Nonsai sor. Sanyakorn) fought at 165lbs.
Buakaw, who I dare to say is considered "big", fights around 72 kilo same for Yodsanklai if I'm not mistaken.
So I would say, at almost 80 kilo, yes you are considered big in Thailand. It doesn't mean though you don't get fights or good training.
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I've been explained that when flexing foot you have the benefit of your shins being harder/stronger which is beneficial when it comes to blocking for example. But it also opens up the risk of breaking your feet if it lands the wrong way.
I keep my foot flexed (or try to) during blocks for this reason and balance. Not flexing when kicking as I feel it affects speed and can cause injury if I land the kick in the wrong spot.
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On 11/3/2019 at 8:05 PM, threeoaks said:
Honestly this is just a bitch session. I have two gyms, one of them no one on this forum would know, so I feel safe griping (it’s a different martial art). The most advanced current student is throwing herself at the instructor, madly, irritatingly, obsessively. (Both married). I have no idea what is happening between them, likely nothing, but he’s just given her a huge amount of responsibility to run the school while he is away this week. I’m going full time to my other gym & training myself instead. This is not out of moral outrage; I’m no angel. It’s because in the course of sucking up his attention she routinely, compulsively throws other people under the bus which he seems to find appealing & funny. She’s also an impatient & selfish partner with zero teaching skills. I have so much respect for this instructor, but I’m losing it now. Men, can you not see this typically female behavior? Is this a real blind spot? For myself, I’ll just train til I’m as good as her then make her pay #motivation lol.
There will always be assholes to avoid in a gym. No matter her behavior, it is the responsibility of the coach to manage this so it doesn't affect the class. Perhaps you can talk to other students to see if others feel the same and if yes, talk to the coach?
It is really annoying to see female peers using their looks or sexual power to get attention from the trainers. It feels like they're cheating or using short-cuts. And it affects every female student if teachers stop seeing them as students and instead as objects for their sexual desires and means to get some ego massage.
But I can understand it. It's not easy being taken seriously and flirting is a handy strategy. Or taking the role of daughter/female protege or whatever.
But it's their choice and the responsibility of the coach to manage depending on his level of professionalism
You will just waste precious energy and focus to get upset about her.
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2 hours ago, gconley said:
well, tomorrow i leave. thanks for everyones help and input. much appreciated. i will hopefully take some good video and pictures if i can, to share with you guys when i come back.
Safe journey. I'll try to spot you during morning runs in Chatuchak park. I'm injured so I'll be the one run-limping.
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Thanks for sharing this. I am deeply sorry for what happened. I once had my home broken into and I thought when this happened that it must have felt like that. A violation and attack on your space that you built and nurtured. I'm grateful and happy you could rebuild it.
You two are doing so many amazing things that no one ever done before and it's beyond me how you can be so generous not only sharing it, but also package everything you do in a way we can all learn from it. You always take care of putting things into a context, ensuring the right message comes across for everyone to absorb the knowledge.
It also struck me more than once how you two never really take any time off and I have no idea where that energy and productivity and discipline come from. First doing all the things. Then sharing it. Repeat and repeat.
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6 hours ago, RB Coop said:
Thank you! I'm really only worried about the fight, might get stitches, and i bet for that they bring you to hospital, so i think i need insurance for that, need to call and ask.. Insurance won't cover the scooter accident just because our license is not valid there, won't be using one anyways. Do you know how the weight in goes? Is it the same day before the fight or is it 1day before, so you can rehydrate?
@Sylvie von Duuglas-Ittu has plenty of experience re stitches hopefully she can give an overview. All I know they usually have a doc ringside and I've seen people being stitched up after fights at location (no hospital)..
Weigh in is fuzzy. I have limited experience but. Depends on skill level. Rajadamnern (I think...) and Lumpinee weigh in same day (early morning). Other places no clue but if you're not that experienced they probably won't check weight at all. A friend of mine is fighting at Lumpinee tomorrow and weigh in is around 6am fight around 8pm.
It is very common at less prestigious fight venues to have weight difference. A guy at my gym (64kg) fought at Asiatique BKK yesterday, weight (never checked though) was 70kg. I've been asked to fight someone 15kg heavier than me.
Hopefully you'll have a trainer you can trust and consult on this. It's not super easy getting a fight in Thailand so you might not have the opportunity to be picky about it.
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I have private insurance and have to pay out of pocket when seeking medical care which has given me an idea of what things cost.
I've never had surgery in Thailand or got stitches but I go to the doc frequently and compared to other countries care is very affordable. I also recently needed to be taken by an ambulance to nearest hospital and got some urgent check and treatment done after an obstacle race injury. The event organizers took care of the bill so I don't know the exact amount but I don't think it was that much judging by the look at the guys who accompanied me and insisted to pay.
Anyhow at international high-end hospital in Bangkok I've payed 20 EUR for expert consultations (orthopedic, ENT, cardiology, dermatology). 30 EUR for X-ray. 90 EUR for ultrasound scan plus surgeon consultation. 28 EUR blood test. Most expensive was a thorough heart check including stress test and loads of other tests for 1200 EUR. I had to drain my clinch ear, total cost 60 EUR. Physiotherapy following a muscle strain was 40 EUR/session. Treatment for the shingles was pretty expensive, medication cost me around 100 EUR. In general, imported medication will be pricey.
But this is at a really expensive hospital and I could've opted for cheaper clinics or cheaper medication. They usually inform you about pricing before you say yes to anything.
When I lived in the EU as EU citizen I managed to get really affordable and great travel insurance for when traveling outside of Europe, around 8 EUR/year. I would go for one of those that will cover emergency care. You might already have insurance if you booked your trip with visa or Mastercard, worth looking into. Depending on location you might need medevac (but it's not like an helicopter will airlift you out of the jungle, you'll still need to find your way to nearest airport). Thailand has excellent hospitals and doctors.
I don't have any stats but my impression is that most common issue for tourists are scooter accidents.
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On 10/12/2019 at 6:24 AM, 515 said:
Haha
But a lot of girls go (too) hard also in my experience (non intentionally I guess, but by lack of control?).
Giving front kicks to woman is also a bit hard for me, I don't want to kick them too high or too low...
But mostly I got no problems training with other males or females, unless they go too hard because they can't control themselves (or when you hold back because you would hit them hard on a good spot and they do counter super hard because you hold back
) or people that don't want to "loose" in training haha or if they are lazy/skip warm up/being late on purpose.
If you don't bring too much ego to the gym all is fine, I think.
I am not sure this is because lack of control. Where I have trained in Thailand there is always this belief that regardless of her size, a woman is always weaker (and somewhat fragile) that you tend to believe it yourself so you think you are not strong as a guy and your strikes won't be painful. I also feel that whenever I am smaller than the person I am sparring with, that I have to go harder because they can take more pain or whatever.
So I am not sure this is about having a lack of control but rather not understanding your own strength.
In my experience, women spar harder than men. I sparred with this woman fighter some months ago and I felt she went hard so I went hard too. She usually trains with guys and she told me afterwards no one had hit her as hard as I had. While I felt she went super hard. Eh haha.
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12 hours ago, Oliver said:
Other friends say heavier gloves train your arms better in keeping your guard up, but that might be an Eastern European thing rather than Thai, dunno.
Using 12 when training I feel this effect too, that I'm getting stronger. And when I'm using 10 I have more energy left after padrounds.
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Drilling without shin guards - do's and don'ts?
in Muay Thai Technique, Training and Fighting Questions
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It's actually a lethwei gym in Yangon, Myanmar and I don't have a my gear with me and I have not been offered shin guards and I'm just going with the flow and doing what I'm told. In general the trainers are pretty rough with me compared to Thailand. Not violent, they just a bit rough including that shin guards are not offered to me. The trainer put on one shin guard after some sessions but he uses both his legs so it's still painful. Not sure if it is this gym, or these trainers, or me, or lethwei, because I have nothing to compare to. I have the feeling I'm being tested for toughness (this is like a fitness gym but I'm getting different training than the fitness students). So out of pride I'm refusing to ask for protection.
I like it as it makes my kicks faster and more elegant and I think more before I move, but I also noticed I automatically stopped blocking and instead catching kicks which might not be great. I also started sparring and doing bags and pads without gloves as this is how you fight lethwei. It's a cool feeling. But I can't say I prefer one or the other.