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Gavin, as long as the goal will keep you motivated to move and not "sit in front of the TV" as you said, I'd advise you to stick to it. It might take longer, but it's a learning process. As long as you handle your schedule, you can do it. I work a full time job and train 6x a week, but I also have a part-time job from time to time that takes up around 5h a week. It's not much, I know, but I still manage around it to make my training schedule work. Uh, if you are ready to give up most of your social life ;)

And congrats on the weight loss! I finally managed to move a bit down on the scale, too :) It's just 1kg, but a firm 1kg-loss is better than nothing :)

I watched my first sparing video from last year a few days ago and I was like "nooo, is it me? it's me. nooo. It's so hilarious!!" But I'm not embarassed, because I think I made some progress during this year, technique-wise and even though my weight is exactly the same as last year, I think I look slimmer now. :) 

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Gavin, as long as the goal will keep you motivated to move and not "sit in front of the TV" as you said, I'd advise you to stick to it. It might take longer, but it's a learning process. As long as you handle your schedule, you can do it. I work a full time job and train 6x a week, but I also have a part-time job from time to time that takes up around 5h a week. It's not much, I know, but I still manage around it to make my training schedule work. Uh, if you are ready to give up most of your social life ;)

I wouldn't give up on it all together, but just rearrange it around your new work life, and be prepared for it to take longer. I just quoted Micc because I thought it was spot on.  :smile:

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I don't think you should give up. Goals are there to give you something difficult to strive towards, not necessarily just so you can accomplish something. Sometimes falling short of a goal is more helpful than succeeding (it can give you added motivation for the next shot). I say stick with your plan, and see where it gets you. If you don't make it in your desired time frame, just keep on rolling until you hit your mark. Then set a new goal and try again! We don't improve without falling, and only truly fail if we quit.

 

On a side note, doing something you enjoy outside of work will often make you better AT work. You don't have to be a professional fighter to enjoy the workouts. You will be more relaxed and hopefully less overwhelmed when things do get crazy at work. I dove head first into my last job and its literally the only thing I had in my life. If things were stressful or bad there, I couldn't escape it. It ended very very poorly lol. But I learned from it and whenever I do go back, I am going to try my best to use moderation. Your career is always going to be a part of your life but you've gotta have other stuff outside of that that keeps you sane as well :)

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Gavin, as long as the goal will keep you motivated to move and not "sit in front of the TV" as you said, I'd advise you to stick to it. It might take longer, but it's a learning process. As long as you handle your schedule, you can do it. I work a full time job and train 6x a week, but I also have a part-time job from time to time that takes up around 5h a week. It's not much, I know, but I still manage around it to make my training schedule work. Uh, if you are ready to give up most of your social life ;)

And congrats on the weight loss! I finally managed to move a bit down on the scale, too :) It's just 1kg, but a firm 1kg-loss is better than nothing :)

I watched my first sparing video from last year a few days ago and I was like "nooo, is it me? it's me. nooo. It's so hilarious!!" But I'm not embarassed, because I think I made some progress during this year, technique-wise and even though my weight is exactly the same as last year, I think I look slimmer now. :) 

 

Hey Micc, that's great. I think 1kg makes a difference. Imagine having to do a whole workout while holding a 1kg dumbbell. It would be difficult, huh?

 

I wouldn't give up on it all together, but just rearrange it around your new work life, and be prepared for it to take longer. I just quoted Micc because I thought it was spot on.  :smile:

 

Thank you mate.

I don't think you should give up. Goals are there to give you something difficult to strive towards, not necessarily just so you can accomplish something. Sometimes falling short of a goal is more helpful than succeeding (it can give you added motivation for the next shot). I say stick with your plan, and see where it gets you. If you don't make it in your desired time frame, just keep on rolling until you hit your mark. Then set a new goal and try again! We don't improve without falling, and only truly fail if we quit.

 

On a side note, doing something you enjoy outside of work will often make you better AT work. You don't have to be a professional fighter to enjoy the workouts. You will be more relaxed and hopefully less overwhelmed when things do get crazy at work. I dove head first into my last job and its literally the only thing I had in my life. If things were stressful or bad there, I couldn't escape it. It ended very very poorly lol. But I learned from it and whenever I do go back, I am going to try my best to use moderation. Your career is always going to be a part of your life but you've gotta have other stuff outside of that that keeps you sane as well :)

 

Thank you Tyler. I am going to continue with my original goal, because like you said just by aiming for it I will be more successful than if I give up.

 

On wednesday I did a boxing class and it was kinda brutal (for me) from a conditioning aspect. We did 300 lunges, 300 pushups and 100 squats interspersed between 800 punches. I still can't walk properly and it's Saturday. I was in awe of people who just went straight into the next class, because I was shattered by the end of it. I tried to run across a street and just ending up half walking.

The trainer explained that this isn't really a lot of lunges, and I agree, but it was a lot for me at my stage of development. Anyway, I'm not complaining, I kinda liked it, It just stopped me from training for a few days though.

Tomorrow I am going to spend some time figuring out how I am going to push on with my goal while allowing time for work development. I do this often and I find it really useful.

 

48 hours.

 

Once again thanks to those of you who continue to encourage me.

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Wohooo! :D Let's celebrate the 50 hours milestone!!! :D  :thumbsup:  :banana:

Haha, that banana can dance his ass off.

1 hour of muay thai. Did a lot of basic kicking, and then teeping the switch kick and following up with a switch knee. Very cool.

Had a funny interaction tonight with my partner. We were checking a kick and then throwing a right kick back with your partner taking the kick on their arms. He said to me 'kick me as hard as you can, you've gotta kick hard, so that you can learn properly, kick me with 100%'.

In my head I was thinking 'are you crazy? there is no way you want me to kick you as hard as I can'. Not because I'm a super hard kicker, but because I am 100kg and a fully grown man. So I kicked him with about 40%, and sure enough after two kicks he was like 'alright not that hard'.

As promised here is a video of me 'shadowboxing' I don't really want to post this, but I said I would when I reached 50 hours, so... here it is.

https://youtu.be/ikSbjp6xdj0

Next video will be posted when I reach 95kg bodyweight!

51 hours.

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Looks good man, those straight punches look crisp. Hahaha I kind of want to video myself shadowboxing now, never seen myself doing any training really.

Haha, thanks Tyler. It's embarrassing, but instructive. You should get somebody to film you training, just pay somebody 100baht to film you with your phone for 15 mins or something.

1 hour boxing tonight, just basic combos.

 

52hrs

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Curious to see what happens with your weight now that you are doing the couch to 5k. I can't seem to stay under 78kg without running. Not sure if its just the increased muscle in my legs burning more calories or what. Does the trick for me though!

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Will keep you posted Tyler!

 

1 hr boxing

Squatted 105kg x 5 x 3

Benched 95kg x 4

 

First time benching in ages, was a bit of a struggle but only 10kg off my old pb, so not too bad

 

59 hours

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Yesterday did 1 hour of MT, which was mostly clinch work.

Today, I did 8 rounds on the bag, 3 rounds of shadow. A combination I have been working lately is jab, right straight to the body, left hook, right straight. I am trying to integrate changing the levels so to be unpredictable.

I then went and did standing shoulder press 60kg x 5 x 3 (5 reps for 3 sets).

62 hours

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45 mins boxing class. Then I did some bag rounds and did the third day of c25k.

 

Combo today was - double jab, right, left uppercut, left hook, right straight, weave, right, left, right, left hook, slip, left uppercut, right, left hook, right.

63.5 hours.

This was my biggest training week, maybe ever, with 8.5 hours of training time. Only 4hr45min of actual class though.

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Do you feel that this was such an intense workout week? Or are you already okay with upping the hours of training?

I've actually cut down on one class (which is in a gym that's pretty far away), but instead I'm going to a kinda-crossfit class that day. It's at a fitness gym, not martial arts one. So I find it extremely hard to NOT jump in fighting stance or shadow-box lightly in-between rounds :) :) I literally had to stop myself to do it, even if the song was a boxing song (lyrics going like "left hook right hook" and so on...) :) Fortunately we also did some punching on the pad, so I was giving my best there :D

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Do you feel that this was such an intense workout week? Or are you already okay with upping the hours of training?

I've actually cut down on one class (which is in a gym that's pretty far away), but instead I'm going to a kinda-crossfit class that day. It's at a fitness gym, not martial arts one. So I find it extremely hard to NOT jump in fighting stance or shadow-box lightly in-between rounds :) :) I literally had to stop myself to do it, even if the song was a boxing song (lyrics going like "left hook right hook" and so on...) :) Fortunately we also did some punching on the pad, so I was giving my best there :D

 Hey Micc

 

I didn't at the time, but I feel like I've paid the price this week.

Tuesday 1 hr MT, 30 mins running, 30 mins bench pressing. Was actually weaker than the week before :(

Tonight 1 hr MT.

This week has not been good for training. I picked up a freelance gig which I've had to work on after work hours and I had a date on monday :wub:

 

66.5hrs

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Usually if you are feeling a little weaker, it just means you are pushing hard. Might be good you got a little extra rest this week. This week has been a serious grind for me. Hahaha surviving one session and day at a time!

Yeah, it was actually like 2 less reps on the same weight, so I think you could be right.

 

Keep it up Tyler! How many sessions do you get in generally in a week?

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Yeah, it was actually like 2 less reps on the same weight, so I think you could be right.

 

Keep it up Tyler! How many sessions do you get in generally in a week?

I do 9-10 2 hour sessions a week, and run 3-5 of the mornings. Really trying to run more, but it totally depends on my energy levels. I ended up completely skipping training both Friday and Saturday last week, needed more of a break mentally than physically I think. I was feeling a little down about taking time off initially (I feel guilty lol), but now I think it was the right choice. Looking forward to training tomorrow where I was dreading it last week lol.

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Hey Gavin, been off the forum for a bit so just catching up on your progress. Glad to see things are still progressing nicely! Great job in your video. Noticed that your ability to bend your knees is much better than mine. For some reason I struggle with that no matter what I'm doing.

 

Also, hope the date went well ! :)

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I've only done 3 hours of training over the last 2-3 weeks. Someone close to me passed away and the emotional stress and grief has been insane! Anyway, back to boxing Monday night. I bought a pair of 10 oz hayabusa gloves. Might post some pics in the glove thread.

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It's been harder than expected getting back into training after the break. After the funeral all I did for a week was work and sleep, and that stretched into two weeks. Anyway, I got three sessions in this week. One of the senior boxers has invited me to the advanced class, so I'll probably start doing that in a week or so, once I have some conditioning back.

I had to take the 10 oz gloves back as they didn't fit properly with wraps. I swapped them for 12 oz, even so they are quite tight. I can actually feel when I hit with my knuckles now. The feedback is good. Although my hands are taking a beating... I will switch between my 16s and 12s until my hands adjust.

Hope everyone's training is going well.

74.5 hours (I've added a bunch of hours at once from when I wasn't posting).

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Wanted to drop in and say I'm still training I just stopped logging as the forum is a bit inactive. Thinking of taking an amateur boxing match next year as my coach suggested it. All the best everyone.

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Wanted to drop in and say I'm still training I just stopped logging as the forum is a bit inactive. Thinking of taking an amateur boxing match next year as my coach suggested it. All the best everyone.

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The first and obvious way is that because Muay Thai is a public performance the job of the fighter is to express "soul stuff". That means knowing the cultural signatures of "soul stuff", being practiced in displaying them, including aspects of command and control, invulnerability and of course charisma. Perhaps no fighter in history displayed soul stuff more than Samart, who expressed a very Rama/Vishnu quality, a potent equipoise. You cannot thoroughly understand Samart's greatness without seeing just how much (read here:) he signified "soul stuff" within the culture. This photo of him with the vanquished and bloody (aggressive, Muay Khao great) Namphon, gives some sense of it. But the signatures of soul stuff in Thailand's Muay Thai, and even kinds of personal charisma are not only of one kind. A great, unrelenting knee fighter like Dieselnoi will have tremendous soul stuff. A great pressure fighter like Samson, or a complex style fighter like Chamuakpet (naming legends of the Golden Age). There are various expressions of soul stuff. And, unlike in Western conceptions of "great fighters", soul stuff includes many things beyond the fighter. Samart for instance did not fight up very much in his career. In a Western mind this may be something of a demerit when compared to other great fighters who did. But because soul stuff is transmittable, and governed by association, the fact that Sityodtong gym was so powerful to be able to dictate favorable matchups (or at least avoid unfavorable ones) actually goes to Samart's soul stuff. He is part of a local nexus of power. Sityodtong has soul stuff. Master Tui has lots of soul stuff. Samart has soul stuff. As much as we want to think about fights as being between two isolated fighters in the ring, the truth is that there is much more in the ring than that. All the soul stuff that brought these fighters into being, that is poured into these fighters, is in combat. (This is a big reason why Westerners do not quite understand the role of gambling in Muay Thai. It seems to them to be just a corrupt interference in "pure sport". But in fact it is a layering of the contest of competing powers, men with soul stuff outside the ring...for better or worse. Under the spiritual logic of soul stuff fighters are never just "them". They literally invoke deities with their Ram Muay. In their Wai Kru they evoke their teachers. All of their skills and ascetic practice in training is summoned, publicly, into the ring. Fighters represent and embody.) This is not fundamentally different than the spirit-logic of cosmic battle that governed warfare in the great Ayutthayian Empire 500 years ago. What has changed is "who" is seen to have soul stuff, fundamentally a question of changing culture and values. As to the practice of Muay Thai itself, in the training kaimuay, and in the ring, one has to grasp that the fighting art and the fighting sport cannot be completely separated. Traditional kaimuay are technical houses of the inculcation in soul stuff. One is learning the practices which will give you power in a physical contest, but a contest which ultimately is also a spiritual contest. The techniques of a particular kru, the styles of a particular gym name, are a practical knowledge of Thai combat power. And the conditions of its practice are necessarily those of discipline and ascetic self control. The fundamentals of posture (ruup), timing and balance are meant to create liberty in the fighter, and its presentation to the judges and audience. Specific techniques, ways of blocking, attacking, avoiding, punishing or damaging, controlling, frustrating, overwhelming, are a kind of complex grammar of soul stuff. You display that you have more, and in defeating your opponent, in some sense you take some of their soul stuff as your own. And, as fighters share the ring with you, they too can gain soul stuff through proximate association (if you have a great deal). For deeper dives into this here I write in some detail about the social conditions of Thai training practices through the thinking of the sociologist Bourdieu: Trans-Freedoms Through Authentic Muay Thai Training in Thailand Understood Through Bourdieu's Habitus, Doxa and Hexis, and here I write about how the philosopher Agamben's study of 13th century Franciscan monastic practices help explain the rule-following power of Thai gym training for Westerners: Thailand's Muay Thai Gym, Authenticity and the Escape from Capitalism | Agamben on The Highest Poverty The importance of this insight into soul stuff and its transmittability is I believe that it unlocks much of the question about the religiosity (or spirituality) behind Thailand's Muay Thai. Often it is simply dismissed altogether because it does not seem reducible to the few obvious, formal rites that surround Muay Thai fighting. And, the magical practices of its past do not seem to embody most, or even much of any of Thailand's Muay Thai as non-Thais experience it. I suggest that the logic of soul stuff is so prevalent, so shoots-through Thailand's Muay Thai, even in its most secular and commercialized expressions, its so omnipresent it is almost impossible to see by Westerners (and others) who can carry different cultural view of power. It though is something that is much closer to a Chinese metaphysical concept of Yin and Yang, a base assumption which explains many diverse practices, whether they be spiritual or quite secular, woven into the perspective of a culture and how it bonds together. And, as the historian O. W. Wolters argued, these beliefs lay at root beneath very diverse cultures all across Southeast Asia, spilling well over any particular country's barriers. And...if you kept the logic of "soul stuff" in mind you would get a better sense of what the difficult training in Muay Thai is truly focused on...the melding of the spiritual and the martial going back perhaps 2,000 years, as it is expressed and conceived in today's contemporary culture, and as the art of Muay Thai itself has come to embody it over the past 100 years or so.   For a the primary source on O. W. Wolter's concept of "soul stuff" read here:            
    • SJC74 - Here's my recent January 2023 experience training for one-week at 'Santai', and one-week at 'Boon Lanna', both gyms located outside/south of Chiang Mai city center. TL;DR, I'd pick Boon Lanna Muay Thai for one-month dedicated training with minimal life outside of training, eating, recovering, sleeping.  Context: I spent early October 2022 to early January 2023 in Northern Thailand; 2.5-months in Pai, 1-month in Chiang Mai. I learned Muay Thai basics at Wisarut Gym in Pai at a relaxed pace. I wasn't killing myself during that time, but was able to develop a baseline foundation for the sport and improve general fitness. After leaving Pai in second week of January 2023, I went to train at two gyms outside of Chiang Mai, Santai and Boon Lanna. I did not train at Hongthong, but I did stop by in the midafternoon to see it. Here's my two cents as a beginner. First thing to note, and arguably the most important consideration is how far from old town Chiang Mai you're comfortable being. The best gyms in CM are a ways away from the nightlife/tourist action happening in the city. You'll need to plan logistics accordingly. Having a motorbike, accommodation, quick food/grocery options, social life requirements, touristic desires etc. are all considerations that need to be made. There are a lot of gym options in and around Chiang Mai. Hover over the greater city on Google Maps and search 'Muay Thai Gym', and you'll see many of the options. Most have websites and/or facebook pages to glean information from to get general vibe of the gym, while others have a sparce internet presence that requires an in-person visit to get the scoop. I visited four gyms in total, but only trained at two.  Santai: I trained here 6 sessions total, once per day monday to saturday mostly in the afternoon. This was the busiest gym in Thailand that I trained at thus far, with an average 30 students per session, and 6-8 instructors. This is a good gym if you want to sleep, train, and be social with other students and not have too much of a life outside of training. People spend months living and training there together, so naturally the "family" like feelings evolve amongst students and trainors. Everyone was friendly, but I kept my head down and didn't socialize too much beyond basic pleasantries. A months time is long enough to develop stronger relationships if that's what you're seeking. English was common enough amongst students and trainers to make communication easy and clear. Despite the gym being a bit small for the large number of students, it's equipped with three rings and many bags. Because of the many people, it was lacking in the sanitation department; it felt a bit dirty for my personal standards, but keeping in mind that I've been a long time mild germophobe so learning Muay Thai has been an exercise in acceptance for me. Standards and personal comfort vary of course, I'm just saying it could use a good powerwash and mop.   The general class routine was: run/skip rope, group stretching/shadowboxing technique, padwork, bagwork, clinching, stretch/cool-down. While you're going through group stretch, the woman who handles office/paperwork affairs and the two old-head instructors list names on the whiteboard for padwork assignments. Each pad holder had 3-5 names underneath them and each student would get 3 5-minutes rounds with them. It seemed like the newbies were assigned to go first and each day you'd be with a different pad holder who would work you in different ways, while evaluating your skill level. The two old-head instructors would walk around with their sticks whacking stick correcting form of folks working a bag. You're sort of on your own after padwork, so you'll want to come prepared with a few combinations you want to practice on the bag, otherwise you might be a little aimless and unfocused; at least that was the case for me as a newbie. Overall, this gym was a 6/10 for me. I'm grateful I went and experienced it for the sake of gym comparisons, but I wouldn't return here. Keep in mind I'm rather introverted and would prefer to train with Thai's than foreigners. It was 70/30 foreigners to Thai's training there. I stayed 10-minutes down the road from the gym. There's a main street near gym with accommodation, restaurants, and locals-only night markets. Odds are the only other westerners you'll see around that area are also gym goers. I think someone could quickly improve their skill level dedicating one-month to training here, just don't expect to do too many tourist activities outside of training, eating, recovering, sleeping. Students and trainers fight out of the gym and seem to be in different promotions weekly. If you want to fight, that's definitely possible here.  Boon Lanna: The monday after Santai I moved accommodation down the road 20-minutes to a place near Boon Lanna Muay Thai where I also trained for 6 sessions total, once per day monday to saturday mostly in the afternoon. This is the former Lanna gym Sylvie trained at. She mentioned it's a different gym now than it used to be, so I can give an update to what it is like now. This has been my favorite gym to date. The new owner, Master Boon, sponsors Thai fighters from the Hilltribe, so when you train here, you're mostly training with them. It was 80/20 Thai to foreigner ratio and an amazing experience. Sylvie recently wrote about gyms having golden years where there's a bunch of people training/fighting out of a gym an times are good, and other times when the same gym has dried up and it's a shell of it's former self as people move on. This gym seems to be in early stages of new golden period as Master Boon and his female partner seem motivated and have a good thing going. They are currently having new student housing built on the property attached to the facility. The existing facility is very nice, very clean, wide-open-air facility. There was only one non-thai living there, a Canadian, the rest were Hilltribe boys/men. My technique, confidence, and general understanding of the sport improved significantly in only a few sessions as they paid a lot more attention to me. After light conditioning and shadowing boxing, every session began with light sparing where Master Boon selected matchups, randomizing opponents for 3-4 round. Sparing against the Thai boys was very helpful, but at ~185cm (6-foot) felt strange punching and kicking a literal child. These kids were tough and strong though, and I saw in advance pictures of them online bloodied up smiling after a fight. We both knew that I couldn't hurt them, and we both knew they could wreck me any second, which actually helped me feel relaxed in a way I've ever never felt before. After sparing, padwork, then bagwork. Both of which I felt like I received ample and helpful guidance for improved power and technique. Everyone was patient with me which was appreciated. I'm a slow learner. Classes end with 45min-1hour clinching, which I did not do, opting for strength conditioning with a few others instead, concluding with abs, stretch, cool-down. Sit Thailand MT Gym: This gym is closer to old town, next to airport. Has accommodation nearby, I dropped in mid afternoon just to see it, no opinion. Lookup 'joelxthewolf' on instagram. He documents his training/fighting out of that gym and you can get a sense of things from him. Looks legit.  Hongthong: Drove past. A bit closer to old town, but still outside a ways. Fighters often on local promotion. Sizeable open-air gym. No opinion.  Like I said, there are many others to choose from. Get a motorbike on arrival and spend your first day dropping into several to get a feel before commiting. Manop. Buakaw's Banchamek Gym, Chiang May Muay Thai, Santai, Sit, Hongthong etc. Be prepared to be on the road all day for that, Chiang Mai is surprisingly quite big and spread out.  Here is the average weather forecast is for July in Chiang Mai: "This month is known as a warm month. The average maximum daytime temperature in Chiang Mai in July lies at 31.7°C (89.06°F). The average minimum temperature is 24.0°C (75.2°F) (usually the minimum temperature is noted at night). The amount of rain during this month is high with an average of 145mm (5.7in). It rains an average of 19 days of the month. The sun will occasionally show itself with 121 hours of sunshine during the entire month." Something to consider. I should have taken better notes during my training, but didn't, so these are just some of my recollections/feelings. Ask away with any questions, I'll be glad to give my two cents. I am now training at a small gym in Isaan and plan to be more diligent and methodical with documenting my progress and experience. I'd like to post and participate in this forum more. Thank you Sylvie and Kevin for the platform and second hand push to do so, and all the info you've provided over the years- it's been very helpful for me on this journey and I'm having so much fun. 
    • thank you 😃   can you point timestamps? i think you are right and i'm trying to improve it, specially when i get tagged i "panic". It's getting a little better. About everything else, i guess i'll have to try to discover if it's my thing. I don't know if it counts but because we are a bit silly and unskilled i already experienced some damage.. in the end i'm in the rain and ready to get wet, soon i'll see, whatever happens, happens, maybe i'll drown, maybe not!
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