My first fight

[Misael Lucas]

I'll be having my first fight at 28/01/2023, amateur. I'm a bit neurotic and struggling how to prepare myself. Then i start to think about diet, lifting programs, training schedules, trying to fix and perfom at the best at everything despite being still a newbie. It's been hard to conciliate things, this is my currently training program.

08 AM MON/WED/FRIDAY:

Stronglifts 5X5

07PM-08PM THU/TUE/FRI/SAT:

MUAY THAI

 

We recently have kids added to the same class, so the training is a bit lacking, i'm not feeling confident and find myself confused on what to focus and thinking into add more muay thai training (mainly drills and focus on creating combos (i mainly just answer to what my opponent does). I've been following sylvie content on youtube and i'm really inspired by it and by samart payakaroon teaching videos (i try to style myself around that).

I accepted the fight and despite having fear and lack of confidence, i think it will improve during the "training camp". Any tips, suggestions, guidance in a program would be nice. 

24 years old
174cm
66kg

[Kevin von Duuglas-Ittu]

I think that with first fights its important to just lower expectations. They are a mental blur. It will be very hard to execute what you feel you know, and because first time fighters tend to hold their breath under the stress they gas out quicker than they think they should or realize. I think just get your cardio up to give you a bit of a buffer, spar as much as you can with an emphasis on relaxation, and go into the fight expecting it to be more out of your control than you think. If you can relax, have solid defense, and enjoy the first fight experience, you've already won. The whole point of first fights is so you can get to your second fight.

[Sören]

If you need any input in terms of getting a better gas tank: For me personally i was able to take away a lot from "Ultimate MMA Conditioning from Joel Jamieson" and some training programm from the website "sweetscienceoffighting" based on that book. To sum it up. If you feel lacking in terms of cardio you can try to do 3 standalone (starting with 30mins) cardio sessions a week. The important part here would be to keep your heart rate between 130-150 bpm (meaning you can breath relaxed through your nose).

[Sylvie von Duuglas-Ittu]

The more "play" you can do, the better. If you can spar, great. If not, feel rhythms amd timing in shadow and on the bag. The most unpredictable aspect of fighting is that the opponent thinks differently than how you or your training partners do; or their nerves make them even unpredictable to themselves. So try to find opportunities to FEEL your way around movements and strikes, rather than thinking so much.

[ineedtobenicer]

On 12/15/2022 at 1:02 PM, Misael Lucas said:

I'll be having my first fight at 28/01/2023, amateur. I'm a bit neurotic and struggling how to prepare myself. Then i start to think about diet, lifting programs, training schedules, trying to fix and perfom at the best at everything despite being still a newbie. It's been hard to conciliate things, this is my currently training program.

08 AM MON/WED/FRIDAY:

Stronglifts 5X5

07PM-08PM THU/TUE/FRI/SAT:

MUAY THAI

 

We recently have kids added to the same class, so the training is a bit lacking, i'm not feeling confident and find myself confused on what to focus and thinking into add more muay thai training (mainly drills and focus on creating combos (i mainly just answer to what my opponent does). I've been following sylvie content on youtube and i'm really inspired by it and by samart payakaroon teaching videos (i try to style myself around that).

I accepted the fight and despite having fear and lack of confidence, i think it will improve during the "training camp". Any tips, suggestions, guidance in a program would be nice. 

24 years old
174cm
66kg

First - I'm just an old guy who's trained for a long time.  I am not, nor ever have been, a pro or amateur fighter.

A few things strike me as worth questioning.

"i start to think about diet, lifting programs, training schedules, trying to fix and perfom at the best at everything"

What does your coach say?  

I have read you may want to do your strength training AFTER your muay thai training.

The idea being, you don't try to perform the finer movements of muay thai after having exhausted those muscles via strength training.

I've found, as I've gotten older, periodically mixing strength training and bagwork together helps me perform while tired BUT I'm 55 and you're 24 so I don't know if this is reasonable for someone your age.

I can tell you I trained for 30 years without mixing the two so I think any benefit I get from this is due to my age.

This "We recently have kids added to the same class" bothers me a great deal.

No place I have ever trained has mixed people heading for competition in with children. 

There have always been special training sessions only for the competitors.

Is this what you mean by  "training camp" and I just don't understand?

Is your "training camp" going to consist of you and any other competitors undergoing additional training/conditioning not appropriate for children and/or those who are not competing?

[Misael Lucas]

During a sparring session in december i got knee'd in the ribs and had to stop training for a few weeks. Doctor said i could train based on the pain itself and gave me a bunch of painkillers and requested a tomography, i never did it since i had to travel about 100 miles to nearest spot, eventually the pain gradually went away and early january i'm back in business. I was also lucky that the event was rescheduled to the end of february.

 

On 12/16/2022 at 2:20 PM, Kevin von Duuglas-Ittu said:

I think that with first fights its important to just lower expectations. They are a mental blur. It will be very hard to execute what you feel you know, and because first time fighters tend to hold their breath under the stress they gas out quicker than they think they should or realize. I think just get your cardio up to give you a bit of a buffer, spar as much as you can with an emphasis on relaxation, and go into the fight expecting it to be more out of your control than you think. If you can relax, have solid defense, and enjoy the first fight experience, you've already won. The whole point of first fights is so you can get to your second fight.

 

On 12/26/2022 at 8:08 AM, Sylvie von Duuglas-Ittu said:

The more "play" you can do, the better. If you can spar, great. If not, feel rhythms amd timing in shadow and on the bag. The most unpredictable aspect of fighting is that the opponent thinks differently than how you or your training partners do; or their nerves make them even unpredictable to themselves. So try to find opportunities to FEEL your way around movements and strikes, rather than thinking so much.

 

These two comments gave me genuine peace of mind, I'm managing to behave better in sparring sessions. Thank you so much Kevin, a while back you did a post about Dio Chrysostom and being introduced to his writings, I can't put into words how much I appreciate it.

 

On 1/2/2023 at 2:05 PM, ineedtobenicer said:

First - I'm just an old guy who's trained for a long time.  I am not, nor ever have been, a pro or amateur fighter.

A few things strike me as worth questioning.

"i start to think about diet, lifting programs, training schedules, trying to fix and perfom at the best at everything"

What does your coach say?  

I have read you may want to do your strength training AFTER your muay thai training.

The idea being, you don't try to perform the finer movements of muay thai after having exhausted those muscles via strength training.

I've found, as I've gotten older, periodically mixing strength training and bagwork together helps me perform while tired BUT I'm 55 and you're 24 so I don't know if this is reasonable for someone your age.

I can tell you I trained for 30 years without mixing the two so I think any benefit I get from this is due to my age.

This "We recently have kids added to the same class" bothers me a great deal.

No place I have ever trained has mixed people heading for competition in with children. 

There have always been special training sessions only for the competitors.

Is this what you mean by  "training camp" and I just don't understand?

Is your "training camp" going to consist of you and any other competitors undergoing additional training/conditioning not appropriate for children and/or those who are not competing?
 

 

I live in a small city with limited access to muay thai knowledge, my coach is actually a former partner, he is 2-0 semi pro bouts. He doesn't have extensive knowledge because he doesn't speak english, have less than 3 years of practice and mostly reproduce stuff.. he's started to improve and try new things after our former coach left. 

Saturday is sparring focused and heavy sessions, 2 hours, only for athletes. 

THU/TUE we have a class composed by me, two other guys and a kid, it's different training but one coach only. I'll provide my last sparring session here. I'm feeling better now and adjusting my routine. 

I'm the guy with yellow hair. Maybe i'm asking too much here about opinions on my technique/form? Thank you all for the replies.

 

07-01-23

Two rounds against sparring partner.

 

https://youtu.be/vbnmwQNlZ7A

https://youtu.be/2qdmjQqJEVQ

 

18-01-2023 

Two rounds against my coach

https://youtu.be/A7KEB7VJrww

https://youtu.be/PTxkIsHDyLs

 

 

[ineedtobenicer]

Glad things are better.

Im interested in what the more experienced MT people have to say about your vids

[Nightshade]

I’m not more experienced or anything but some of his lead hand work scares me.  For him.  He stands in range leaving his punches out for way too long.  That’s a good way to get knocked out brutally.  
 

if he fixes that I’d say he’s fine to fight.  I think people have a tendency to make fights a bigger deal than they are, I know I used to.  But at the end of the day you’re never going to be perfect and you either roll the dice step in the ring or you don’t.  Besides there’s a chance you won’t like it, and you don’t want to do it again.  In that case what a colossal waste of effort, when you could’ve figured that out sooner and moved to more casual training freeing up time and resources to invest yourself into something else that might be your true passion.  Some people don’t like hitting other people or getting hit hard, I’ve seen it.  They think they want to fight, but they don’t.  

Edited January 24, 2023 by Nightshade

[Misael Lucas]

On 1/23/2023 at 3:51 AM, ineedtobenicer said:

Glad things are better.

Im interested in what the more experienced MT people have to say about your vids

thank you

 

On 1/24/2023 at 1:30 AM, Nightshade said:

I’m not more experienced or anything but some of his lead hand work scares me.  For him.  He stands in range leaving his punches out for way too long.  That’s a good way to get knocked out brutally.  
 

if he fixes that I’d say he’s fine to fight.  I think people have a tendency to make fights a bigger deal than they are, I know I used to.  But at the end of the day you’re never going to be perfect and you either roll the dice step in the ring or you don’t.  Besides there’s a chance you won’t like it, and you don’t want to do it again.  In that case what a colossal waste of effort, when you could’ve figured that out sooner and moved to more casual training freeing up time and resources to invest yourself into something else that might be your true passion.  Some people don’t like hitting other people or getting hit hard, I’ve seen it.  They think they want to fight, but they don’t.  

can you point timestamps? i think you are right and i'm trying to improve it, specially when i get tagged i "panic". It's getting a little better. About everything else, i guess i'll have to try to discover if it's my thing. I don't know if it counts but because we are a bit silly and unskilled i already experienced some damage.. in the end i'm in the rain and ready to get wet, soon i'll see, whatever happens, happens, maybe i'll drown, maybe not!