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Fightland: JOANNA CHAMPION'S STRIKING CLINIC
Joanna Champion's Muay Thai pedigree has been prattled on about at great length in the media, but fighters with a ton of accolades in Muay Thai and kickboxing have often looked nothing like quality strikers in MMA. Often guys have excelled in the clinch and with long kicks in Muay Thai, and when they come to MMA and meet quality grapplers, they can't risk using either of those weapons.We were discussing Joanna's loss to Duannapa Mor. Rattana Bundit at World Muay Thai Angels in another thread and how styles, rules and judging make fights.
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Sylvie, from an untrained eye, I was puzzled how Duannapa won the fight.
Joanna had more activity, continued to bring the action and with more clean strikes.
What I've gather is that Muay Thai gives points for better clinching and more affective kicks to the torso?
Could you elaborate with specific timestamp if possible, on how Duannapa stymied Joanna's game?
Sylvie gave a good explanation of the Thai scoring from a thread she posted on reddit.
[–]sylviemuayPro fighter[S] 1 point
13 hours ago *You can watch this video seminar by Tony Myers which explains the principles of Thai Muay Thai scoring. It's about balance and control.
If you visibly hurt or affect your opponent then you are taking them out of balance and control. In the absence of doing this the opponent who displays more balance and control wins. The advancing fighter is not awarded points simply for advancing. Kicks and knees to the body are a bread and butter of scoring in that they are seen as penetrating the opponent's center.
The biggest difference is the way that aggression is thought about and scored. In the west visible aggression is scored for its own sake, whether it has an impact or not. The retreating fighter can be perceived of as being "afraid" and "not wanting to fight". In Thailand the aggressive fighter is seen as somewhat desperate, and the retreating, defending fighter as being controlling/impenetrable - Duannapa is impenetrable here. Once a fighter has the lead (they have landed solid scoring strikes) and they start retreating and defending it is up to the other fighter to catch them and retake the lead. There are some very aggressive fighters in Thailand, but they must show scoring dominance to
[–]sylviemuayPro fighter[S] 3 points
14 hours ago *I explained it in my post. Low-kicks do not score in Thailand, generally. Every single low-kick Joanna lands, take it out of your mind. Also, punches only score if they rock. Basically Joanna doesn't score for almost the whole fight - she starts scoring a bit in the first half of the 3rd round, when she finally starts kicking the body. The most dependable scoring strike in Thai Muay Thai is the kick to the body. Unlike many other strikes a kick to the body does not have to off-balance an opponent to score. Duannapa lands this repeatedly through the bout.
Also, being "active" offensively is not scored in Thai scoring. When you are the aggressor you have an additional burden of being effective. An aggressive fighter has to land kicks or knees above the waist or visibly hurt or rock the opponent in Thailand. You don't get points for chasing. It's the opposite. The retreating, defending fighter is seen as controlling the fight. When you are retreating you (usually) are defending a lead you already have. You've landed scoring strikes. If your opponent doesn't score again you don't have to throw another strike. You already have the lead. If you retreat AND score, as Duannapa does here with her kicks to the body, you are expanding your lead. I think the fight comes under some question in the 3rd because final rounds can weigh heavily and Joanna comes out strong, scoring. If she had continued with this she may have taken the fight. But then Duannapa reestablishes control in latter half of the 3rd.
A key to looking at Thai fights is that they usually start out neutral, with neither fighter chasing, each standing their ground. At a certain point one of the fighters will start to retreat. That fighter is symbolically claiming the lead (often after solid strikes have landed) inviting the other fighter to come and try and take it back. If you follow that fighter you are more or less admitting that he/she has the lead. You have to get it back. You can also refuse to chase and stand your ground, which if the fight is close enough this will usually bring the retreating fighter back to you, to start again. Whether you chase or not can be a complex decision, sometimes involving your corner (late in fights you'll see fighters look to their corners). I take this decision making out of my fights. I go forward the entire fight. Bell to bell. My opponent is symbolically in the lead for much of the fight.
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Really cool to compare this to Joanna's MMA fights. This reddit link has most of her professional MMA fights. One thing I noticed is that Joanna seems to get stuck against the cage in the clinch. I know Sylvie has talked about western fighters, especially women having a weaker clinch game due to lack of instruction/opportunity to practice.
ETA: I get used to the Thai refs breaking up the clinch after watching all Sylvie's fights. Then I watch MMA and wonder why the ref isn't breaking it up and resetting the fighters when nothing is happening against the cage or on the ground. Of course I don't really know the rules of MMA.
Reddit link to Jedrzejczyk vs Penne.
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Interesting article from Muay Thai Guy, The Cult of Personality: What Muay Thai Needs to Learn from Ronda Rousey
As someone who would like to see Muay Thai fighters actually earn a living from their work, as well as share their knowledge and experience, I think there are many lessons to be taken from Rousey’s example. Whether you love, hate, or don’t care about her, the fact remains that Rousey has built a fan base in a way that would have been unthinkable two years ago.
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Lion Fight 23: TIFFANY VAN SOEST vs. MARTYNA KROL via Martyna's facebook page.
The July 31 event is headlined by Muay Thai legend Malaipet Sasiprapa vs. British sensation Liam Harrison, with Van Soest (12-2-1) defending her women’s featherweight world title against Poland’s Martyna Krol (30-10 record, ranked as the No. 1 female foreign fighter in Thailand last year) in the co-main event.
The Temecula-based event will be a homecoming of sorts for Van Soest, a 26-year-old native of nearby San Diego whom some have dubbed the “Ronda Rousey of Muay Thai” due to her extraordinary Fight IQ, classical beauty and contagious charisma. The enthusiastic surfer and former college soccer player is fresh off a dominant win over Bernise Alldis (33-4), a virtuoso performance that saw Van Soest reclaim the Lion Fight title after battering the Brit for four rounds and unleashing a nasty elbow that produced a deep cut on Alldis’ cheek and prompted a referee stoppage. Her opponent, Martyna “The Bully” Krol, is a lanky and crafty fighter who has trained extensively in Thailand and excels in the clinch.
Super excited for this fight as I follow both fighters on social media. They have very different styles so it should be an interesting match up.
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Wombat Sports podcast
The world of Muay Thai has opened up to female competitiors worldwide and in some places are more popular than MMA.
Prairie Rugilo, who has been a guest on this show, is someone looking to make her mark with a revolutionary gym "The Girl Fight". The all female gym helps develop talent, like DeAna, to feed their hunger for compeition.
Matthew Kaplowitz, the editor and cheif of FightNerd.com, has started an Indie go-go campaign to get help document their story.
We will talk to Kaplowitz about the documentry and growth of women's muay thai.
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MTG 084: Building A Muay Thai Gym in Issan, Thailand with Frances and Boom Wattahanaya
Muay Thai and martial arts can be a powerful tool to help people overcome life’s adversities.
In the effort to help the less fortune kids of rural Issan, Thailand, Frances and Boom Wattahanaya have been working tirelessly to finish building a Muay Thai gym to in Boom’s hometown. It’s been quite a journey so far with it’s share of ups and downs, but they feel they are on the right path and talk about it during our interview.GoFundMe for building the gym.
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Found this video and article via Muay Thai on The Brain's facebook page. "Boxing journeymen: sport's biggest losers or unappreciated artists?"
Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "professional" fighter and what records really mean.
"I was getting the same money whether I won, lost or drew, so why would I have a hard fight for eight rounds when I can walk around for three rounds, fight for two, and then walk around for another three rounds?"-
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Have you watched the full video Dtrick? I mean, the full documentary?
No just the clip on Indigogo. It looks like an interesting story though, especially that they are fighting out of an all female gym. Unfortunately the fund raising doesn't seem to have gained much momentum so I'm not sure how widely they will be able to distribute it.
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The bidding is up to $12,600. Fame is a crazy thing.
Winning bid US $21,300.00
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I was surprised by the outcome. I was expecting Bernise to win it in the clinch the way Caley Reese did when she fought Tiffany.
Bernise looked much stronger in her previous fight against Tanya Merrett.
I like Tiffany as a fighter, she has a really interesting style. It was great that she was able to improve her fight game so that she could control and score in the clinch.
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Can you put a link to your blog Micc? Sorry if you did before and I missed it BJJ is the wackiest. So great. Also, got some boo-hooing about having to do padwork with me, a southpaw. Wait til we spar. BOO HOO I say. Too bad. :starwars:
Micc's blog. Micc, I'm really enjoying what you've written so far.
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Ronda Rousey's old Honda is up for sale on Ebay. Act quick!
There are many of Ronda's personal belongings inside the car including medals, UFC programs from past events, patches, hats, and all kinds of random Ronda items. You can see from the eBay photos what all the items are that are located in the car. We (Ronda's family) like to joke about all of the cool things you find in Ronda's car. Every time you open the door, it's is like an archeological dig! Also, Ronda did glue a few medals, patches, coins, and figurines to the inside of her car which probably aren't going to come off.Below you can also view two YouTube videos of Ronda dancing, singing, and having fun in her 2005 Honda Accord.Kinda cool, kinda bizarre.The bidding is up to $12,600. Fame is a crazy thing.
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Congratulations! Fight of the Week on muaythaiathelete.com.
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A video interview by the The Asbury Park Press about head coach of the Girl Fight gym, Prairie Rugilo.
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This article talks about using "autoregulation" to adjust your daily training.
Autoregulation is nice fancy term for changing how you approach and work in a training session based on how you are performing now, relative to your previous sessions. You change your intensity and volume of today’s training based on how difficult it is compared to what you’ve done before.- Don’t judge how a session is going to go based on how you feel before you start training, see how well you do as you begin the exercises.
- Know what your minimum levels of performance should be based on how you were doing previously. This is the best way to use autoregulatory principles.
- Take advantage of the great days and go ahead and push harder and work a bit more. On those blah days, do the minimum, don’t force it and get the hell out.
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Sports Illustrated article, Julie Kedzie: This is what it feels like to cut weight for an MMA fight. This sounds horrible, like cutting weight is one of the hardest parts of fighting professionally.
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Found a new muay thai blog to follow. The latest post is a review of of Santai Muay Thai Gym
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All Access: Ronda Rousey Episodes 1 & 2
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Rolling Stone article. At the end of the embedded vid she talks about how important remaining undefeated is to her.
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MTG: Can You Learn Muay Thai From Youtube?
in Open Topics - men and women - General Muay Thai Discussion and News
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MTG: Can You Learn Muay Thai From Youtube?
Nice shout out to Sylvie's youtube channel.
https://www.youtube.com/user/MasterKMuayThai