Few simple questions: What is Derning, Why Is Clinch Broken Quickly Sometimes?

[MadelineGrace]

These are questions I have when I watch the live streaming of Sylvie’s fights and listen to Kevin’s commentary 

 

 

what is Derning? ( durning?)

if clinching is part of MT, what is the rationale for it to be broken up so quickly? 

Also why would someone be a backwards fighter .... I feel like it makes the person look like the weaker fighter whose struggling and always running away from the forward walking fighter 

 

I had a few other questions but I forget now. I’ll add to it as I remember.

( Started MT about 10 months ago. So I’m just curious about many things. Obviously there’s a lot to learn. More than I ever will be able to )

 

[Sylvie von Duuglas-Ittu]

On 1/5/2020 at 9:57 AM, MadelineGrace said:

These are questions I have when I watch the live streaming of Sylvie’s fights and listen to Kevin’s commentary 

 

 

what is Derning? ( durning?)

if clinching is part of MT, what is the rationale for it to be broken up so quickly? 

Also why would someone be a backwards fighter .... I feel like it makes the person look like the weaker fighter whose struggling and always running away from the forward walking fighter 

 

I had a few other questions but I forget now. I’ll add to it as I remember.

( Started MT about 10 months ago. So I’m just curious about many things. Obviously there’s a lot to learn. More than I ever will be able to )

 

Hi,

"dern" is the Thai word for walking, so it means the fighter who is going forward. Sometimes the Thai commentator will be saying "Sylvie dern" and it means I'm the one coming forward, pressing the action.

Clinching is allowed to go for longer out in the provinces, medium in the stadia of Bangkok, and broken stupid quickly in new 3-round formats like Max, Thai Fight, Superchamp, Hardcore, MX, etc. They claim it's to make the fights more exciting, but it makes them more boring. It only gives people time to hold, rather than work. Golden Era fights like Samson Isaan vs. Pepsi (the third one especially) or Langsuan vs Lamnamoon, the clinch goes forever and the ref just kind of keeps them off the ropes. Breaking the clinch too fast would be like separating fighters after two strikes... totally interrupts the flow of the fight. But they claim it's to make it more exciting, but really it just makes it more like a Windmill show.

The way you see going forward as being positive, Thais see going backwards as being in control of the fight, rather than looking like you're scared. You can't ONLY go back. Dieselnoi often complains that all my opponents did was "nee" which is the Thai word for escaping. Going backwards for the sake of going backwards is as bad as going forward simply for the sake of going forward, it has to have meaning to how the fight is being directed by your movements. But a fighter who has the lead and then goes backwards to force the opponent to chase, or catch up, shows control of the fight. A fighter who is simply coming forward all the time looks desperate to a Thai eye, especially if they already have the lead, they look like they don't know that they're in the lead. 

[Kevin von Duuglas-Ittu]

On 1/5/2020 at 9:57 AM, MadelineGrace said:

Also why would someone be a backwards fighter .... I feel like it makes the person look like the weaker fighter whose struggling and always running away from the forward walking fighter

We think that forward aggression is just the natural way to show dominance, but it's more complicated than that. Let's say we are kids, I smack you in the mouth in a fight, and then move away from you and make you miss when you lunge at me. Then I laugh, move slightly out of the way, call you a name, you lunge at me again. And then again, this time I hit you making you off balance, and laugh again. Who is dominating the scene? This is just a simple school yard fight, but you can clearly see who is "winning" the fight by dominance. The kids are all around us, laughing. This is an extreme example of how Thais see the backwards fighter looking in control in a fight. They have to keep scoring, they have to seem like they are controlling everything, but they do it by making the other fighter look desperate or out of control. It's actually much closer to "real" fighting than otherwise supposed real fighting is.

[MadelineGrace]

Helpful.

thanks

 It was very useful to have these questions answered just now while I watched the live stream of fight 261! ( congrats Sylvie) especially how the backwards or forward fighting works. I totally saw that played out in the last round!  

[MadelineGrace]

And lol now I’m fb famous Bc you posted my question and photo on fb ( Lol. I’m quiet and reserved til I know someone and non attention seeking) thank God my gloves are in front of my face in my pic! Or id be embarrassed ! ( note- clarifying Bc one can’t read tone in type- it’s totally fine! I don’t mind at all ! I’m thankful for my gloves though )