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I feel like there are so many combat sports in the U.S. now that die hards aside, it is difficult for muay thai to garner attention. The ufc is pumping out product, plus there is boxing, EBI, Glory and now Bellator competing just to get noticed.

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On 3/28/2016 at 12:06 PM, Kevin von Duuglas-Ittu said:

Maybe if an elite Muay Thai fighter - like the current fantasy about Saenchai - joined the UFC and cleaned up? So far I'm not sure that the UFC has seen true Muay Thai, that is, high level Muay Thai born out of the process of Thailand, with strong knowledge of clinch. BJJ would never have taken off if the fighters that introduced it were mid-level BBJ fighters. The UFC has never really seen a Muay Thai version of a "Gracie".



How do you feel about Invicta or One championship with Lookboonmee etc? 

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On 8/26/2019 at 8:54 AM, CoachMatty said:

How do you feel about Invicta or One championship with Lookboonmee etc? 

Loma isn't really an example of a complete Muay Thai practitioner, in terms of elite Thai male talent. She's the best female clinch fighter in the world probably, and can hot-knife-through-butter opponents who don't know how to face her beautiful throws. But most elite female Thai fighters are usually highly specialized in a singlar dimension of Muay Thai, not representing the "Gracie" level of male Muay Thai I was talking about. That being said, she can do much to alert the world to what real, high level female clinch talent can look like, and what it can do versus other supposedly potent styles of grappling.

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