Snack Payback
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Oley Kiatoneway works as a trainer at Parunchai Gym, Thung Song, Nakhon Si Thammarat.
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On 4/15/2020 at 4:59 PM, AndyMaBobs said:
Through talking to him and his articles and research, ultimately we came to the conclusion that there just isn't enough available information to really say either way about anything. He said that kun khmer fighters claim that it is older than muay thai, and that it probably is - but the khmer rogue destroyed so much of Cambodias written history, of which there wasn't much to begin with - that there really isn't a way of knowing.
The Khmers didn't leave any written history behind, only what was carved on the temples of Ankor. Some foreigners who lived there at Ankor's height left detailed writings of their time there, which is how historians are able to have some understanding of what life was like there.
Back to regional fighting styles - Thailand, Cambodia, Burma and Laos have all been fighting each other and occupying each others territory for centuries. There definitely will have been cross over between styles at various points in history.-
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Whatever it is, it's infected and inflamed. Keep putting antiseptic cream on it, but if it doesn't improve or starts getting worse then better to get yourself to a doctor (if that's possible at the moment). Probably worth pointing out I have no medical training by the way, beyond some first aid courses
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16 hours ago, SHELL28 said:
I did a few months with John Wayne Parr when I lived in the Goldy and not even he demanded that title. (And he probably could if he wanted to)
The arrogance in the west can be exhausting.Amazing gym by the way and highly recommend training with JWP
That's great you got to train at JWP's gym. He comes across as a really sound fella
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I guess some people like to try and give themselves an air of mystique. Like they spent a year deep in Isaan, kicking down a hectare of banana trees every morning, followed by a grueling 10 hour training session, followed by 2 back to back fights at the local stadium. Day after day. Finally, after a year of this, they were bestowed the title of 'Kru' by their trainer. They walked across the country to Suvarnabhumi and flew home. No mate, you just woke up one morning and decided to start calling yourself 'Kru'.
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Something else that amuses me - although I haven't actually come across it in Australia, seems to be a North American thing from what I read on forums/facebook - is non Thai trainers/gym owners calling themselves 'Kru'. I'll have to put this isolation time to good use and try and make a gif.
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6 hours ago, Gary Jocky Gym said:
How to contact Hippy for private session? any details?
When are you thinking of heading over? It sounds like all gyms are closed at the moment. His gym has a facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/townintowngym88/?__tn__=%2Cd-k-R&eid=ARCiBlfYjrqn6GTteldBGZ-Yt-x1sqj4I7ymu6mhDrDIsCG2q_r-4qsbH4U8a7uempJnD0CcN0lJ7spE
but they might not reply. If they don't reply then your best bet would be to get to the gym before the morning session ends (once this corona lockdown has been lifted, obviously) and arrange a private session then. Sylvie has a map to his gym here: https://8limbsus.com/muay-thai-thailand/training-hippy-singmanee-relaxation-comes-power -
On 4/4/2020 at 2:29 PM, Sylvie von Duuglas-Ittu said:
In the argument about grading systems in western gyms, which is a way to retain members and give people who aren't fighters a sense of accomplishment and progress
It's also a way for a lot gyms in the west to make more money from their members. The first gym I trained at here in Perth had a grading system. They charged $60 to attend the grading, and then another $20 for your new shirt with your new grading on it
'So Snack Payback, will you be attending the upcoming grading?'
'Err, no I won't'
I don't train there anymore
On 4/2/2020 at 9:01 PM, SHELL28 said:It’s such a struggle for me.
I did a little bit of training in Thailand when I was on holiday and returned to Thailand hooked and trained some more.But Back home... on returning, I really struggled to find anything like it.
I finally did but I had to leave my gym of 4 years which was a hard transition but I couldn’t bare the arrogance. The masculine aggression.
My trainer I have now is perfect. He has also lived in Thailand and I believe that really helps When looking for a genuine gym.
He also has the spirituality that surrounds Thai gyms which is very important to me Too.
I feel “most“ western Muay Thai gyms are brute force kickboxing mma gyms.Very rarely are they respectful Muay Thai that you see in most of Thailand.
All the places I've trained at in Perth have been fine. Even that place I talk about above, despite the grading nonsense it was a friendly gym. Once I started heading over to Thailand to train I soon realised I needed to find a new gym if I really wanted to improve. The place I'm at now is great - Thai owned and run. Very friendly and my technique has come on a lot. Also tried one other place before settling at my current one. Owner had spent a lot of time in Thailand and had had Thai trainers over. Again, very friendly and well run place.
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As mentioned above, all gyms in Aus are closed now, all events cancelled. My gym was hoping to organise some outdoor sessions with small numbers, but public gatherings are limited to two people now. So just have to be patient...
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On 3/25/2020 at 8:14 PM, threeoaks said:
It's a bad disease. I had my first close friend die, quickly (guess that's a blessing). We are in the USA Upstate New York (NYC is epicenter). I don't like living in fear but I do like living in reality (well like it.. maybe not right now but better than la la land). Good luck.
Very sorry to hear that
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Trained today in Perth, West Australia. A couple of the lads in the gym have fights coming up in a few weeks. Still set to go ahead at the moment.
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In the news here at the moment. Sad story.
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On 3/3/2020 at 5:24 AM, David123 said:
Now for the part that I didn’t like, but had nothing to do with Sinbi were the small group of wannabe tough guys. They were annoying and obnoxious. I won’t go into details, but they were toxic. However, when it came to sparring, they were decent. But they did carry themselves as if they were top notch.
Come on, you can give us a bit more info
Where were they from??
On 3/3/2020 at 5:24 AM, David123 said:Hopefully next time I would find a gym that doesn’t have annoying foreigners.
You're more likely to run into that problem in a place like Phuket because it's such a popular tourist spot. You'd be better off heading away from the beach if you were after a quieter gym.
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7 hours ago, Kevin von Duuglas-Ittu said:
In thinking about big size differences in the Golden Age, I now recall when we filmed with Boonlai for the Library. We were talking about his career, and his fight with Namkabuan came up. One of the most interesting things in all he said was that he felt it unsportsmanlike that Namkabuan to plow him across the ring. He said something to the order: "Come on now, you are much bigger than me! Why do you have to plow?!" This is pretty notable in that Namkabuan's power plow was a big part of his arsenal. It was kind of a signature move. Boonlai legitimately questioned why he had to bring his big gun out against a smaller opponent. This maybe says something to the way that Somrak fought Boonlai and Samart fought Panomtuanlek, pulling their weapons back against smaller opponents, displaying their artfulness. It also may even touch on how Namphon pulled back his clinch vs the larger Dekkers, treating the bigger fighter as if he were smaller.
This was Boonlai really reveling in his victory over Karuhat. This is despite Karuhat being physically smaller than him. Karuhat held the 122 lb Lumpinee belt, but he tells us that he walked around slightly under 122. There was a whole world of mixed-weight class fighting then, and perhaps unspoken rules about how to fight these fights.
Yes, I remember Boonlai talking about this in the library session. It's a pity his win against Namkabuan isn't on youtube. Their 2nd fight is there, which Namkabuan wins. I'd also really like to see Boonlai's fight against Wangchannoi as well. Hopefully they'll both be uploaded in future. Do you think you'll film another session for the library with Boonlai at some point?
Talking of big size differences and Namkabuan plowing made me think of his fight against Chatchai Paiseetong. Namkabuan looks significantly bigger than Chatchai. In the 5th round Namkabuan comes out and just plows, throws Chatchai around the ring. Do you think he's worried he's losing the fight going into the final round so tries to put on as dominant a display as possible against his smaller opponent?
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15 hours ago, Sylvie von Duuglas-Ittu said:
Kevin loves these kinds of lists, I don't
I don't mind them. They came in handy when I really started to get into Muay Thai - gave me suggestions on some legendary fighters I could look up.
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9 hours ago, Kevin von Duuglas-Ittu said:
Somrak, what a fighter, but it's really unclear how great in that his opportunities were curtailed.
Agreed
9 hours ago, Kevin von Duuglas-Ittu said:I will say that it is really cool to see Wangchannoi so high up. He feels like a fighter who is a fighter's fighter.
Agreed! I've never seen him mentioned on any other 'best of all times' lists that are out there, which is bizarre when you look at his achievements: 5 Lumpinee belts, Fighter of the Year 1993.
5 hours ago, Kevin von Duuglas-Ittu said:(without having to decide who to take off!)
Just make it a top 15
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6 hours ago, Kevin von Duuglas-Ittu said:
It should be said that the fight was at 126, which was maybe a weight class up for Boonlai (he was 122 lb Lumpinee champion), which maybe adds a little more to Somrak's confidence in space, but it still is an amazing fight to watch.
Interesting, I didn't know the fight was at 126 lb. Boonlai won his first Lumpinee belt the following year, 1992, at 115 lb. So probably an even bigger step up in weight for him. He won his 122 lb Lumpinee belt in 1994.
6 hours ago, Kevin von Duuglas-Ittu said:If you're not familiar with Boonlai, a nice edit of Boonlai toying with opponents:
One of my go to videos on Muay Thai Scholar
Somrak was incredible of course. If only they'd given him a title shot...
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Check this fight out! Rambo with his relentless dern against Paruhatlek's heavy hands
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Great work again, Kevin! I couldn't find any footage at all of Paruhatlek on youtube when I've searched for him before, but just had a look and some of his fights have been uploaded in recent months. That's tonight's viewing sorted
I've spoken to Thais who rate him very highly (he ko'd Samart). It would be great if you could get him in the library
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Thanks Kevin, I hadn't seen this fight before.
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The gym's not there anymore, sadly. Kevin posted about it in another topic earlier this year.
Kevin von Duuglas-Ittu Posted June 2
'Yes, Somrak has been on everyone's list, including our own! We got very, very close to filming with him when he had his own gym in Bangkok. We visited and filmed there (he wasn't around, so we filmed with some of his trainers), and then we visited again just to talk with him, and how do I say this delicately...he was several sheets to the wind, but kind of amazing. He said then he doesn't train people anymore, at all really, and we got the sense that he spent almost all his time in the part of the gym where chicken fighting was being done. But, he took Sylvie in and said yes, he would definitely film with her for the project (photo below). So, we were almost there! But, he then lost his gym in a very heavy gambling debt (I think). We literally drove up to it before the news broke and it was completely bulldozed. Like it was nothing but a lot. Without a gym, and with probably a somewhat carefree lifestyle, it will take some doing to get to the place where we can film with him. My own intuition is that this is something not to rush or push, but to just let it naturally evolve. When it happens it will be special. '
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On 11/23/2019 at 1:46 AM, marxp44 said:
Who are your favorite kickers in the history of Muay Thai?
Some great names already mentioned above. I'd like to add Nokweed Davy, who had an absolute sledgehammer of a kick
And Chatchai Paiseetong for his sublime head kicks
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Muay Thai Movie/Documentary suggestions
in Open Topics - men and women - General Muay Thai Discussion and News
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This one's pretty interesting, mostly focuses on Sityodtong but also features other top gyms of the golden age.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScAK-Y0c-rU
I like the Muay Thai Stories on Lawrence Kenshin's youtube channel. I think most or all of them were filmed by a girl called Angie Wong (I'm assuming her family name is Wong, her instagram handle is @angiewon9) but Lawrence Kenshin doesn't seem to give her any credit for it.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLtBmulRKslSIlrEetkk1J1O2j3PZ-48kY