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By Kevin von Duuglas-Ittu · Posted
small note, it is interesting to see a 1930s account of an hour of shadowboxing: It reminds me of Yodkhunpon's account of building his Muay Thai out of countless hours of shadowboxing, due to his lack of equipment or even explicit training in his rural village. The tale of endless shadowboxing goes back 100 years. -
By Kevin von Duuglas-Ittu · Posted
Not sure if Childers book (1932) is far more romantic and florid than his Newspaper report (1929), but there is some contradiction in descriptions of fighters who "quit" (just acknowledge the opponent superior). The newspaper article: The book: the book then recounts the Newspaper report that there is no stigma in quitting...but then immediately reverses the moment of quitting, into death. This is one of the problems with Western reports at the time (and even fight footage), they have a kind of compulsion toward the florid because they want to report their experiences as incredibly exotic, like nothing a "civilized" man would ever see. And...they just indeed experience everything as quite exaggerated, as they were in very alien environments and everything as disorienting. This author seems to portray death as fairly common in the Kard Chuek ring, and it may have been (but he struggles to make coherent sense of the fighter who just sits down without stigma)...but by report King Rama 7 in 1928 banned glove-less fighting in response to a death in a fight at the city pillar, which seems like an unlikely reason if deaths were quite common...though speculating perhaps it was a "civilizing" moment, that particular death, depending on particular reactions from Western visitors? In his newspaper article Childers claims to have watched two fighters suffer spleen injuries who later died in the hospital, in his book he seems to have turned one of these into a death that he watched happen in the ring, of a boy in his "first fight" (this seems quite dubious), a boy who he watched train, who wanted to come to America. The propensity for embellishment (if not outright fabrication) seems strong with this writer. -
By Kevin von Duuglas-Ittu · Posted
There are so many variabilities it is really hard to say. The best comparison is to Western Boxing which doesn't have a belt system. But one would imagine that within 2 years in a good gym you'd be fairly proficient.
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The first fight between Poot Lorlek and Posai Sittiboonlert was recently uploaded to youtube. Posai is one of the earliest great Muay Khao fighters and influential to Dieselnoi, but there's very little footage of him. Poot is one of the GOATs and one of Posai's best wins, it's really cool to see how Posai's style looked against another elite fighter. -
By FuckedElbow-Muay · Posted
Yeah, this is certainly possible. Thanks! I just like the idea of a training camp pre-fight because of focus and getting more "locked in".. Do you know of any high level gyms in europe you would recommend? -
You could just pick a high-level gym in a European city, just live and train there for however long you want (a month?). Lots of gyms have morning and evening classes. -
By FuckedElbow-Muay · Posted
Hi, i have a general question concerning Muay-Thai training camps, are there any serious ones in Europe at all? I know there are some for kickboxing in the Netherlands, but that's not interesting to me or what i aim for. I have found some regarding Muay-Thai in google searches, but what iv'e found seem to be only "retreats" with Muay-Thai on a level compareable to fitness-boxing, yoga or mindfullness.. So what i look for, but can't seem to find anywhere, are camps similar to those in Thailand. Grueling, high-intensity workouts with trainers who have actually fought and don't just do this as a hobby/fitness regime. A place where you can actually grow, improve technique and build strength and gas-tank with high intensity, not a vacation... No hate whatsoever to those who do fitness-boxing and attend retreats like these, i just find it VERY ODD that there ain't any training camps like those in Thailand out there, or perhaps i haven't looked good enough?.. Appericiate all responses, thank you! -
In my experience, 1 pair of gloves is fine (14oz in my case, so I can spar safely), just air them out between training (bag gloves definitely not necessary). Shinguards are a good idea, though gyms will always have them and lend them out- just more hygienic to have your own. 2 pairs of wraps, 2 shorts (I like the lightweight Raja ones for the heat), 1 pair of good road running trainers. Good gumshield and groin-protector, naturally. Every time I finish training, I bring everything into the shower (not gloves or shinnies, obviously) with me to clean off the (bucketsfull in my case) of sweat, but things dry off quickly here outside of the monsoon season. One thing I have found I like is smallish, cotton briefs for training (less cloth, therefore sweaty wetness than boxers, etc.- bring underwear from home- decent, cotton stuff is strangely expensive here). Don't weigh yourself down too much. You might want to buy shorts or vests from the gym(s) as (useful) souvenirs. I recommend Action Zone and Keelapan, next door, in Bangkok (good selection and prices): https://www.google.com/maps/place/Action+Zone/@13.7474264,100.5206774,17z/data=!4m14!1m7!3m6!1s0x30e29931ee397e41:0x4c8f06926c37408b!2sAction+Zone!8m2!3d13.7474212!4d100.5232523!16s%2Fg%2F1hm3_f5d2!3m5!1s0x30e29931ee397e41:0x4c8f06926c37408b!8m2!3d13.7474212!4d100.5232523!16s%2Fg%2F1hm3_f5d2?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTAyOS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
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